Doman could be on to something

With this emphasis on mobile QBs.



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Very productive offenses when led by mobile QBs.

Or, just have an Oline that can pass block for more than 1.4 seconds, and a guy that can throw.

The funny thing is, when Riley was back there, the Oline improved. Probably because defenses had to worry about him running. With Heaps, the defense could blitz from all directions 1. because it confused him and 2. because they knew that he wasn't going to run under any circumstance. Mobile QB's keep the defense honest.

Escapability/elusiveness is one thing, zone reads is another, and designed running plays for the QB (as an exit valve if WRs covered, pocket is collapsing, or weakness in gap coverage noted in run defense, etc.). Riley can do all of this, so I expect Doman to utilize his skills every opportunity that he can create a mismatch.



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Doman's offense should be: Don't offer scholarships to mentally weak, scared quitters.

EXACTLY!! BYU should never give schollies to guys like Riley Nelson, who quit on USU. Or Hebron Fangupo and Uona Kaveinga, who quit on USC. Or Kevin Unga, who quit on Oregon State. No way. WE do not want mentally weak quitters.



Seriously, kids transfer all the time, and from every school in the nation. Calling them quitters because they do is juvenile, because it goes both ways. We take them when they want to come from other schools with open arms.

Lawboy wrote:
EXACTLY!! BYU should never give schollies to guys like Riley Nelson, who quit on USU. Or Hebron Fangupo and Uona Kaveinga, who quit on USC. Or Kevin Unga, who quit on Oregon State. No way. WE do not want mentally weak quitters.



Seriously, kids transfer all the time, and from every school in the nation. Calling them quitters because they do is juvenile, because it goes both ways. We take them when they want to come from other schools with open arms.

Or Taysom Hill, or Raul Delgado and the European guy from SLCC for BBall, or...

Um, I already called this. It's called...



"death of the drop back qb at byu" ( to lazy to look up my previous thread of this title)



OR



"slow, fat, white guys can't run or jump or block."



AND



"if it looks like a duck and runs like a duck, it's a BDoman offense." this is who he is and what he does. Just glad we have some mobile qb''s lined up. Munns may as well be an Olineman-- he might be too slow to qualify. And I'm not sure TMangum is mobile enough. Maybe we will have the oline problem figured out by then.

I'm fine with a mobile QB as long as he can stil throw it.



I realize a mobile QB is just short of blasphemy for some, but I think it's fine. I think it does keep defenses honest. It's another arrow in the quiver.



Now, if it becomes too lopsided, then I think it's a bad move.



Either way, though, the oline has to step up to the plate.

LaVel may have been a visionary and got the O-minded coaches to change the game. Doman is catching up to the curve and trend that is not passé, but probably necessary for byu to survive. It is more exciting. But yes, they do have to throw the ball to win and RuN the ball to survive. ;-)

Not only did the 584.2 yards/game (Steve Young/1983) and 46.8 points/game (Brandon Doman/2001) rank first in the nation, both these two dual threat QBs were seniors when the records were set.



Can Riley and team elevate their game to these levels or even close to them.

byucougar1 wrote:
Not only did the 584.2 yards/game (Steve Young/1983) and 46.8 points/game (Brandon Doman/2001) rank first in the nation, both these two dual threat QBs were seniors when the records were set.



Can Riley and team elevate their game to these levels or even close to them.

I am a big Riley Nelson fan - aways have been - but I do not think so.



I also do not think Steve Young or Brandon Doman would have posted these numbers against he level of cmpetiton BYU is playing lately.



It will be fun to watch. And if I ever get myself fully settled, back on the mainland, I will be making the drive to Provo quite often next fall.

We're not going to come close to numbers like that (550 yards of offense or 45 points a game).



Under Bronco, the most we've averaged has been 466 yards and 37 points.



If we can get above 450 yards a game and 35 points (something Bronco has only managed twice) it would be one of the best offenses in a LONG time.

Doman had Staley.

Young had a bevy of athletes: heysburt, heimuli?, others.

Take away Staley on the option pitch, and you have a lot less yards.



Teams were practically begging Doman to throw it, they were up so far on the line. That is why nearly every trick play we ran that year went for 50+ yards. They were so geared towards the run that everything else was unstoppable.



I mean, when you are selling out everything you have to stop the run, and you don't stop it - you are in for a LONG, LONG, day.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Take away Staley on the option pitch, and you have a lot less yards.



Teams were practically begging Doman to throw it, they were up so far on the line. That is why nearly every trick play we ran that year went for 50+ yards. They were so geared towards the run that everything else was unstoppable.



I mean, when you are selling out everything you have to stop the run, and you don't stop it - you are in for a LONG, LONG, day.

After Staley went down, BYU was nearly impotent on offense. That is what BYU has needed these past two years - Luke Staley.



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byucougar1 wrote:
Not only did the 584.2 yards/game (Steve Young/1983) and 46.8 points/game (Brandon Doman/2001) rank first in the nation, both these two dual threat QBs were seniors when the records were set.



Can Riley and team elevate their game to these levels or even close to them.

Well, here are the 1982 and 2000 numbers.



1982: 466.2 yards per game and 32.5 points per game.

That is a 120 yards per game and 11.5 points per game improvement in 1983.



2000: 374 yards per game and 23.3 points per game (but Doman only QBed the last two games BYU averaged 35.5 points per game, ??? YPG)

That is a 169 yards per game and 23.5 (or 11.3) points per game improvement in 2001.



Last year (2011), BYU averaged 405.7 YPG and 30.1 PPG.

If +120: 525.7 YPG

If +169: 574.7 YPG

If +11 PPG: 41.1 PPG



Like the team in 2000, the 2011 offense really struggled to find an identity during the year.

SpiffCoug wrote:
We're not going to come close to numbers like that (550 yards of offense or 45 points a game).



Under Bronco, the most we've averaged has been 466 yards and 37 points.



If we can get above 450 yards a game and 35 points (something Bronco has only managed twice) it would be one of the best offenses in a LONG time.

There is a reason these BYU records were also the best in the nation those years. The truth is averaging 500 yards of total offense, and averaging 40 points per game are great achievements.



In its entire history, BYU has averaged 500 yards per game only 7 times (1979, 1980, 1983, 1985, 1989, 1990, 2001).



BYU has averaged 40+ points per game only 6 times (1979, 1980, 1989, 1990, 1996, 2001).



Here is a little more perspective.



That 1996 offense that I think many on this board will say was a great BYU offense averaged "just" 478 yards and 40.8 points per game, good enough for 6th and 5th best, respectively, in the nation.



The purpose of the stats in the link wasn't to predict the 2012 offense will be phenomenal, but the limited history seems to support the shift in QB style that has caused some trepidation that BYU won't continue to hae the prolific offenses that we want and expect.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Take away Staley on the option pitch, and you have a lot less yards.



Teams were practically begging Doman to throw it, they were up so far on the line. That is why nearly every trick play we ran that year went for 50+ yards. They were so geared towards the run that everything else was unstoppable.



I mean, when you are selling out everything you have to stop the run, and you don't stop it - you are in for a LONG, LONG, day.

Also makde Doman look like an NFL QB.



Defenses were so geared to stop the run, throwing and completing passes become easier.



As mentioned. Staley went down and we had nothing.

byucougar1 wrote:
Not only did the 584.2 yards/game (Steve Young/1983) and 46.8 points/game (Brandon Doman/2001) rank first in the nation, both these two dual threat QBs were seniors when the records were set.



Can Riley and team elevate their game to these levels or even close to them.

No, for a couple of reasons.



1 - We don't have a back that can put up 100 yards or close to 100 yards/game.



2 - Bronco refuses to run up the score. If we're up 2+ touchdowns going into the final 10 min of the game Bronco calls the dogs off. We run the ball and play prevent defense. Hard to get 500 yards when you only play 3 quarters.