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Big XII - Rumors

by Cougarbib · 2/8/2012

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KYCoug
I honestly don't know what they see in Lousyville. They had one decent team that won a BCS bowl but that team and coaching staff are long gone. They were a better fit in the CUSA and well maybe the Big Least.



Go Cougs!!!



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Lawboy
I honestly do not know what to think. Still loads of random info out there, but nothing concrete. The other day, Chip Brown tweet that the B12 was still waiting to see what ND was going to do with it's non-football sports. So obviously, that is still an issue, and if ND moves all sports except Football to the B12, that leaves a FB only option on te table, with only 1 team likely to fill that spot.



All I know is that the B12 is exploring all options right now. All of them.
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jonnylingo
The only guy out there saying its byu is gswaim. i tend to give this article more weight than what this gswaim guy says.



i don't think we get invited. we will die a slow death as an independent. :sulk:
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Lawboy
As soon as the WVU issue gets settled for the Big XII, they will then be bale to take the next step if they want to. And by many account, ESPN wants them to go to 12 because they want to have the conference Champ Game to televise. The Dr. Pepper Big XII Champ games was always the Saturday Night ESPN game, so it was a big draw. ESPN wants it back.



Also, Texas AD DeLoss Dodds actually mentioned BYU in the same sentence with conference expansion. Do not ignore that.

"Dodds also mentioned that future Big 12 expansion could target Louisville and Brigham Young University. Dodds said that his personal choice would be Notre Dame, and that he is working hard to garner that addition".



Notre Dame for football will not happen, but it could for all non-football sports.



As I mentioned before, the ESPN TV deal being renegotiated early is driving this. And BYU is under consideration, and has been mentioned specifically by the Texas AD. No guarantees, but could happen.



By the way, fans over at Louisville say it is a done deal. I do not buy it, but like the fact that they are discussing BYU.

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byucougar1
There is also another rumor floating around that Clemson and FSU are dissatisfied with the ACC TV payout per team and are possibly inquiring about B12 inclusion. While the SEC is a more natural fit for them, the leagues do not seem to be restricted by geographical boundaries. If this rumor is true, I think BYU is outside looking in. On the other hand, we still have a much more intriguing feature of nationwide fan following(compared to Louisville, Clemson, FSU) and viewership which is quite attractive for any TV contract. I don't see ND joining B12 as their fit is B10 from an academics, fan base, and geographic location.
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jonnylingo
I don't believe any of this. And I refuse to get my hopes up.
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byucougar1
Thought that this blog from Frank the Tank (Chicago) was most telling. In short, he feels that the B12 expansion will include Louisville and BYU.



I have cut and pasted his thoughts below:


2. Big 12 Expansion Rumors II: The More Realistic Louisville/BYU (or TBD) Scenario – I don’t claim Dude-like sources, but for what it’s worth, I’ve heard from two separate places that validate what The Chronicle of Higher Education reported a couple of weeks ago: the Big 12 wants Louisville as school number 11 with BYU as the preferred choice for school number 12. Louisville is the easy part of the equation – both parties want each other and if the addition of the Cardinals alone wouldn’t result in an odd number of schools, they would have been in the Big 12 a long time ago. The issue, of course, is that BYU has been far from easy to work with for any conference. We actually have to twist the mantra here of “Think like a university president and not like fan” and apply the standard of “Think like a church leader and not like a university president” for the purposes of BYU. From standpoint of the vast majority of universities, it would have made perfect sense for BYU to have joined either the Big 12 or Big East months ago. However, the decisions at BYU are being ultimately driven by LDS leadership and it appears that they are enamored of their independent ESPN exposure along with the opportunity to build up a greater audience for BYUtv. Essentially, they’ve caught Notre Dame-itis.



The problem for the Big 12 is that there isn’t any realistic alternative for school number 12 besides BYU (assuming that, like me, you don’t buy the rumor that the Big 12 will raid the ACC). Floaters about the Big 12 adding other Big East schools, such as Rutgers or Cincinnati, appear to be red herrings and not serious. (Note that I personally thought that the Big 12 could try a Northeastern expansion with Rutgers and UConn to integrate West Virginia further. This should be used as a “The More You Know” public service announcement warning of the evils of drinking while blogging.) So, the Big 12 seems like they would be willing to pull the trigger on adding Louisville at any moment, but the open question is whether that the league would be fine with adding them as #11 without knowing that there’s a satisfactory #12. That’s where the two people that I’ve talked to diverge: one says yes while the other says no. My inclination is that the answer is “no”. The Big Ten was willing to live with 11 schools for almost two decades, but that’s because (1) school #11 was Penn State that was a clear national football power with a huge market (arguably the entire East Coast) and massive fan base and (2) the league legitimately believed that it would add Notre Dame as school #12 in relatively short order. As a result, the Big Ten was willing to wait for another football power to shake loose from the realignment tree (which ended up being Nebraska) instead of going immediately up to 12.



In contrast, there’s little reason for the Big 12 to go up to 11 without going all the way to 12. Louisville is a fairly strong revenue generator (especially on the basketball side), but not at a Penn State/Notre Dame-level where it’s enough to justify passing up on conference championship game revenue with a 12th school. Now, I could see Louisville being added alone as school #11 if the Big 12 gets to a point where it reasonably believes that BYU (or some other school deemed revenue accretive enough) will join as school #12 within a short period of time (no more than one season). As I noted in my last post, the opening of the negotiations between ABC/ESPN and the Big 12 regarding an extension of their current contract will be a key date. Once that starts, the chances of the Big 12 expanding in the near-term drop precipitously since the league needs to have (if it knows what it’s doing) a 12-team setup for a conference championship game to offer by that time if that’s truly their end goal. That means that further Big 12 expansion, if it’s going to occur, will need to happen fairly quickly (e.g. prior to this summer).
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EM_Puma
jonnylingo wrote:
I don't believe any of this. And I refuse to get my hopes up.


But just like me you click on the thread because we still want to dream. We're just bumped and bruised from the ride so far and tired of the trip.
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Lawboy
How many teams does the SEC have now? 14. The B12 could add UL/BYU and Clemson/FSU, and I am sure that this scenario is being discussed with the ESPN negotiations. It really does come down to $$$, and lots of it. Fact is, the Big XII could easily go to the Big XIV, because it is a football league, and football is driving this. Clemson and FSU are football schools first and foremost, in the ACC, which is a hoops league. That move also makes the B12 look extremely stable, something that was questioned a few months ago.



It think it is highly improbable, though, but not impossible. BYU joining the Big XII would be a dream. But joining a Big XIV would be even better.



Still, not holding my breath on any of it.
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byucougar1
DeLoss Dodds/TX AD was quoted by Barry Trammel discussing BYU situation and TV contract:


If BYU were to go to the Big 12, would there be times that BYU fans would be unable to view the games (or have to purchase a premium regional sports pack)? If so how often?



No. Every football game would be available on one of the Big 12 networks (ABC, ESPN, Fox, etc.) or would be free for BYU to telecast however it sees fit, which I assume would be BYUTV. In basketball, same way.



Is BYUTV (or BYU’s ESPN deal for that matter) problematic because it looks a lot like the Longhorn Network?



BYUTV is no problem at all. In fact, that probably would help the transition, because the Big 12 has a school with something similar. But the BYU/ESPN deal would have to go the way of the wind for the Cougars to be admitted to the conference. The Big 12 would not accept BYU’s ESPN deal. BYU’s games would be served up via the Big 12 contracts, unless it’s one of the rumdum games that the networks don’t want. BYU could keep one (or conceivably two) game for itself to distribute, but it would have to be an undesirable game to the networks.


Sounds like one of the primary hang-ups is the ESPN/BYU TV contract. From a fan standpoint, it appears that the fans would be able to see the games either via the B12 networks or via BYUtv. Not sure about whether we would see as much, but on the surface it appears good.
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BroncoBot
Lawboy wrote:



Still, not holding my breath on any of it.

probably smart.



I still think that if someone is saying something he/she is taking stabs in the dark.



EDIT: Just want to be clear that this post is not a shot at you lawboy. I appreciate the info/rumors you bring to the board and find them entertaining. I'm just not going to buy anything unless Tom Holmoe has announced it.
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byucougar1
I understand that ESPN is pushing for The Big 12 to get back to 12. ESPN is pushing hard for a Big 12 Championship game ASAP and they are willing to pay for it. It became more apparent to to B12 that 12 teams were needed with a conference championship when OSU wasn't invited to BCS championship game in Nawlins. They need a conference champion to bring validity to league. Louisville being selected as the 11th is contingent upon BYU becoming 12th team. That is why BYU is so important to Louisville. That's why a preliminary agreement is such a huge deal. We have ESPN helping us out on this so I believe we are in better shape to make this work. Rumor has it that things will be settled in Spring and that we join 2013-2014 season.



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Lawboy
2014 looks like the year, for many reasons, if it is going to happen. If not then, them never, I think.



FIrst, UL has a 27-month wait period, so that works best for them. Big XII has no need to give them an early buy-in as they have now now reached 10 teams, and getting WVU in was more urgent.



Next, BCS deal expires after 2014 Bowl season, so any changes that are going to take place will be for that year. No clue what they will be, but I guarantee that ESPN is working behind the scenes on this as it affects them directly.



Last, the ESPN deal with the Big XII is set to expire in 2016, but word is that they are now renegotiating that deal, and that ESPN wants 12 teams. So that deal being done for 2014 with 12 teams, and a Conference championship game also makes sense.



What I am saying is that I do not see 2012 or 2013 seasons being affected, so BYU would have time to prepare. And this also might explain the lack of scheduling announcements for years 2014 and beyond.



Again, speculation on my part. Just trying to connect some dots, but I may be way off.
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EM_Puma
Lawboy wrote:
FIrst, UL has a 27-month wait period, so that works best for them.


Well then they better get their clock to start ticking before it grows any later--if they are going to add UL.



To me, this scenario of conference expansion is the worse case for a fan. We'll have to sit by the sidelines and continue to see others heading off to the party while we're left at home dreaming. BYU admin has a history of not saying anything until usually the other guy says it first.



I read someone's reaction to this and they summed it up best. "I feel like I'm in the movie Groundhog Day." The same sucky day keeps getting played over and over.
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Lawboy
EM_Puma wrote:
FIrst, UL has a 27-month wait period, so that works best for them.


Well then they better get their clock to start ticking before it grows any later--if they are going to add UL.


Most leagues do a July 1 to June 30 season, so if UL wants to be able to join by Jul 1, 2014, they need to give notice by March 31, 2012. So there is about 7 weeks to go. And I suspect the noise gets louder and louder on this heading to that date.



BYU, of course, would need to give less notice to the WCC.
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jvquarterback
I don't think so. If the Big12 were going to take BYU, why pay $9M to get WV this year when it would have been much less expensive to get BYU this year, then add WV and Louisville next year?
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Lawboy
Because BYU was not offered for 2012, WVU was. And we have no idea what happened with the 2012 negotiations, so perhaps BYU said no. Part of the buy-out process, which I think the B12 anticipated. They did receive buyouts themselves when both Colorado and Nebraska left, so I;d be willing to bet they factored it in as a cost of doing business.



I think BYU was a no-go for 2012 for many reasons. 2014 or beyond a an entirely different conversation.
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byucougar1
Upgrades to MC/LES a subliminal hint of future expansion to B12??????
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