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A quick appreciation of Riley Nelson

by Mars · 1/17/2012

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Mars


Points vs. TCU

2011 (Riley Nelson): 28

2010 (Jake Heaps): 3

2009 (Max Hall): 7

2008 (Max Hall): 7



Team Yards vs. TCU

2011 (Riley Nelson): 354 (71 more than TCU)

2010 (Jake Heaps): 147

2009 (Max Hall): 298

2008 (Max Hall): 297



Total QB Yards vs. TCU

2011 (Riley Nelson): 299 (146 more than TCU)

2010 (Jake Heaps): 91

2009 (Max Hall): 130

2008 (Max Hall): 250



TCU went 11-2 (7-0) in 2011 and beat Top 10 Boise State on the road.
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BroncoBot
The verdict is still out on Riley. As others have pointed out, his turnovers in the TCU game essentially sealed the loss for BYU. Although, it was nice to see a BYU offense move the ball against TCU. I do appreciate his body of work in 2011, but he's certainly got a lot of room for improvement.
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mjk5
This is actually a good point. Riley has a rare skill that we last saw in John Beck's senior year--the ability to turn a broken play into a nice gain. If I remember right, we converted a ridiculous number of third and longs during that 2006 TCU game in Ft. Worth. Beck would scramble, scramble, and then toss a shuffle pass that went for 15 yards. Against a disciplined defense like TCU's, which knows how to cover most known offensive techniques, that ability is a "must have" in a QB.
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mizzoucoug
It's hard for me to nail Riley for his turnovers vs. TCU. Most of us didn't even expect to compete and Nelson made a true game of it. Yeah, his (and Special Teams especially) mistakes cost us the win but, come on, he played them better than anyone in 4 years.
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BroncoBot
mizzoucoug wrote:
It's hard for me to nail Riley for his turnovers vs. TCU. Most of us didn't even expect to compete and Nelson made a true game of it. Yeah, his (and Special Teams especially) mistakes cost us the win but, come on, he played them better than anyone in 4 years.

I wasn't trying to put the blame on him. But his turnovers are something I hope he'll work on and be better at in 2012. If he avoids those, who knows how that TCU game turns out DESPITE the ST errors. When he starts making slightly better decisions (and it won't take much to fix those) his ceiling will rise a couple feet.
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CougarClaw
nope he has nothing to work on. He's already hit his ceiling.



and he can't throw more than 20 yards. And Heaps is coming back.
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northerncougar
Interesting comparison. The problem is that TCU's D this year wasn't half as good as last year.
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Y 4 Ever
northerncougar wrote:
Interesting comparison. The problem is that TCU's D this year wasn't half as good as last year.


I agree. TCU 2011 is NOT TCU 2007 - 2010. We should have won that game. And I think that if we get 3 good solid punts off instead of disasters, then we DO win that game. Our D played pretty good in that game, with the exception of one play on the first drive.
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Y 4 Ever wrote:
Interesting comparison. The problem is that TCU's D this year wasn't half as good as last year.


I agree. TCU 2011 is NOT TCU 2007 - 2010. We should have won that game. And I think that if we get 3 good solid punts off instead of disasters, then we DO win that game. Our D played pretty good in that game, with the exception of one play on the first drive.


No, TCU isn't as good as years past, but they were good enough to beat Boise, and that's saying something, as Boise had what may have been the best college QB of all time.
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crh55
Riley is no doubt a play maker and a gamer. He did very well correcting his issue of tucking it and running every time he didn't see his first read.



The issue is ARM STREGTH! if you watch his mistakes in the TCU and Tulsa games you can tell most all of those were balls that were under-thrown even though he was heaving it as hard as he could. Which is sad because we have some great deep threat receivers right now. Maybe he should start taking some roids???
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Y 4 Ever
crh55 wrote:
Riley is no doubt a play maker and a gamer. He did very well correcting his issue of tucking it and running every time he didn't see his first read.



The issue is ARM STREGTH! if you watch his mistakes in the TCU and Tulsa games you can tell most all of those were balls that were under-thrown even though he was heaving it as hard as he could. Which is sad because we have some great deep threat receivers right now. Maybe he should start taking some roids???


Let's just put him on the Jordan Pendleton strength-building program.
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Lawboy
You guys remember the old baseball commercials back when McGwire and Sosa were tearing it up (before we knew about the roids), and Maddox and Glavine did a commercial together that was hilarious? Well, this strand on Riley's arm strength reminds me of that commercial.



Chicks Dig the Long Ball.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKAJIvQRSzE
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Gunk
TCU 2011 < TCU 2010, 2009 and 2008



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Mars
Gunk wrote:
TCU 2011 < TCU 2010, 2009 and 2008

Was 2011 25-points worse than 2010?
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Brayden Green
hawkwing wrote:
northerncougar wrote:
Interesting comparison. The problem is that TCU's D this year wasn't half as good as last year.


I agree. TCU 2011 is NOT TCU 2007 - 2010. We should have won that game. And I think that if we get 3 good solid punts off instead of disasters, then we DO win that game. Our D played pretty good in that game, with the exception of one play on the first drive.


No, TCU isn't as good as years past, but they were good enough to beat Boise, and that's saying something, as Boise had what may have been the best college QB of all time.


Good enough on offense. (36-35) TCU's defense was only slightly good this year, as opposed to the absolute dominance of 2007-2010 where they were number 1 or 2 in the nation in almost every category.



That we were in the TCU game at all speaks more to our defensive play than anything else. Same with the Tulsa game. Our D saved the O's bacon as a whole this year, in just about every single game.
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Brayden Green
Mars wrote:
TCU 2011 < TCU 2010, 2009 and 2008

Was 2011 25-points worse than 2010?


Football outsiders has their S&P as the 28th overall team in CFB in 2011 (total team defense)



2010 - 2nd



2009 - 2nd



2008 - 1st



2007 - 11th



There was a significant drop in defense, but a significant increase in offense. Which plays in perfectly to the BYU model. We can't move the ball against an elite defense, but we can outscore potent offenses with average defenses. (Our 2011 defense actually scored higher than TCU. And that included a 54-10 drubbing in which the defense actually stopped playing).
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SpiffCoug
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Our D saved the O's bacon as a whole this year, in just about every single game.

Not true. In only two games did the defense save the offense, and even then, it was probably only one game.



Only in Ole Miss did the defense truly save the offense. They were the ones to score the winning points.



Against Tulsa, the offense put up points and they still had to drive the final 49 yards for the winning points.



We didn't need outstanding defensive efforts in the other eight wins. The defense was good, and the team needed them in two wins, but they did what they were supposed to. Give the offense chances to win when they needed it.
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Brayden Green
SpiffCoug wrote:
Our D saved the O's bacon as a whole this year, in just about every single game.

Not true. In only two games did the defense save the offense, and even then, it was probably only one game.



Only in Ole Miss did the defense truly save the offense. They were the ones to score the winning points.



Against Tulsa, the offense put up points and they still had to drive the final 49 yards for the winning points.



We didn't need outstanding defensive efforts in the other eight wins. The defense was good, and the team needed them in two wins, but they did what they were supposed to. Give the offense chances to win when they needed it.


Nope, TCU and Tulsa at least. Tulsa had 37 yards rushing, 2 fumbles, and only 272 total yards.



The offense sucked on ice against Tulsa. 8 punts, 1 FG, 2 4th down conversions, 94 yards rushing, and a PER 109 (which could have been much, much worse). When was the last time you watched that game? 8 punts. Yeah, the offense was clicking for sure!



Nelson didn't win that game, as much as he didn't end up losing it. The defense and special teams won that game.
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SpiffCoug
BlueIsBetter wrote:
Nope, TCU and Tulsa at least. Tulsa had 37 yards rushing, 2 fumbles, and only 272 total yards.



The offense sucked on ice against Tulsa. 8 punts, 1 FG, 2 4th down conversions, 94 yards rushing, and a PER 109 (which could have been much, much worse). When was the last time you watched that game? 8 punts. Yeah, the offense was clicking for sure!



Nelson didn't win that game, as much as he didn't end up losing it. The defense and special teams won that game.

I'm not arguing that the offense was good against Tulsa. But the offense made the plays the team needed. The defense didn't cover those final 48 yards the team needed for the TD. The Tulsa game was a complete TEAM win.



The defense did its job by forcing Tulsa to punt with under 3 minutes to go so the offense could have one final chance to try to win the game.



The special teams did its job by returning that forced punt to the 48-yard line reducing the amount of ground the offense needed to cover in that final chance to try to win the game.



But it wasn't the defense or special teams that covered those final 48 yards.



The defense didn't in that game. BYU won that game with a total team effort.
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