Why does Heaps have to fail?

I have seen many statements along the lines of, "if Heaps succeeds somewhere else, it means that Doman/Bronco/BYU dropped the ball." Why does he have to fail?

I hope Heaps succeeds. If he does, it means that he overcame the issues that were limiting his talent.

What would you have BYU do different?

BYU started him early and he might have benifited from a redshirt. We gave Olson a redshirt instead of starting him during a season that we could have really used a solid quarterback. He transfered. Would Heaps have stayed had they made him redshirt on year one? I don't know.

BYU pulled him from his second sub 80 passing day in a row. They put another quarterback in. That quarterback succeeded. They went with that quarterback. How was that wrong? Yes, I know, there might have been stupid lockerroom issues going on. On any team, there are stupid locker room issues going on. I guarantee that if any player wasn't playing his best due to who the quarterback of the day was, then Bronco addressed that. In Bronco's world there is no excuse for not giving 100% all the time. As a whole, I don't buy the Nelson lobbied Heaps out of a starting job arguement anyway.

BYU gave Heaps more opportunities than they have ever given a Freshman and/or Sophmore quarterback.

What would you have Heaps do different?

He played his heart out. During the Mississippi game, he rallied the team in the 4th quarter and put us in a position to win the football game.

He celebrated rushing touchdowns and passing touchdowns, even when he was playing as the backup quarterback. He made some very pretty throws.

If you are going to argue that he shouldn't have missed this play or that play, then I challenge you to find a quarterback to make every play that executes every play to perfection.

Unfortunately, Heaps had moments of struggle and sometimes it cost us some games. He was a work in progress and in his opinion, his best opportunity to progress is away from BYU. Even after he made that known, he was given starter opportunities and the opportunity to show prospective teams that he was a worthwhile addition to their team.

I don't hate Heaps for the decisions he has made. I hope he succeeds. I don't condemn BYU for the decisions they made. I want them to succeed as well. I guess everyone wants to blame someone. The group of people I will blame are the media personell who have used innuendo and partial perspectives to fan the flames of controversy over this issue.

You have effectively summed up exactly what I have been thinking. Thank you.



This gets my vote as POTD.

It may very well end up that both parties, BYU and Jake Heaps are better off separated. Heaps success or failure anywhere else will only have the slightest correlation to what happened or could have happened at BYU. There are just too many variables to say if he succeeds somewhere else it could have happened at BYU, or if he fails somewhere else he would have failed at BYU.



I personally believe that JHeaps best chance for success was sticking it out with BYU, but he and his advisers chose otherwise. Best of luck to him and his family.

If Jake goes elsewhere and succeeds, it basically puts the onus on the staff to show they can keep players around and happy when internal strife has occurred. Sometimes the top recruit a team has in a year is already on the roster, and you have to sell them on the future vision, just you like you need to do with high school recruits. In this respect, BYU failed. They were unable to sell Jake on BYU Football for 2013-14, when the team would be his with no real competition.



BYU Football will be fine without Jake. No one person is bigger than any program. Question is, could it have been better with him in future years than without him. That is the lingering question we will never get answered, but if he takes off elsewhere, we can draw conclusions on that might sting some.

Lawboy wrote:
If Jake goes elsewhere and succeeds, it basically puts the onus on the staff to show they can keep players around and happy when internal strife has occurred. Sometimes the top recruit a team has in a year is already on the roster, and you have to sell them on the future vision, just you like you need to do with high school recruits. In this respect, BYU failed. They were unable to sell Jake on BYU Football for 2013-14, when the team would be his with no real competition.



BYU Football will be fine without Jake. No one person is bigger than any program. Question is, could it have been better with him in future years than without him. That is the lingering question we will never get answered, but if he takes off elsewhere, we can draw conclusions on that might sting some.

So how would you have kept Jake happy? Meet with him once a week. "Make" the players like him? Force there to be no politics in the lockeroom? Let him keep the starting job the this year and the next two regardless of how he plays? I think Bronco did what he could but only Jake could make Jake happy. So I find it hard to blame the coaches. How do you stop lockeroom politics? Kick them all off the team then recruit new players to play with Jake? To me the only onus on the coaches is to help the players develop and then play those that can get the job done to win games.

hawkwing wrote:
It may very well end up that both parties, BYU and Jake Heaps are better off separated.

It worked out in the end for both BYU and Ben Olsen when they parted ways. BYU found Max Hall and Olsen got to play close to home.

SpiffCoug wrote:

It may very well end up that both parties, BYU and Jake Heaps are better off separated.

It worked out in the end for both BYU and Ben Olsen when they parted ways. BYU found Max Hall and Olsen got to play close to home.

But Olsen leaving was one of the death knells for Crowton. His leaving was largely an indictment of the coach even when Olsen turned into the glass-jawed UCLA qb who we're glad transferred. But supposing Olsen had won an NC at UCLA and Crowton was still around, you don't think we'd be talking about a lot more and questioning the coach's ability?

Crowton was already out the door when Olsen announced he wasn't coming back. Olsen wouldn't even talk to Bronco to see if he wanted it to work.

I think that if fans come back and claim that Heaps being successful is an indictment on Bronco would be the same fans bronco was talking about when mentioned a "lack of football knowlege" back in the day when moron BYU fans wanted Max hall benched in favor of Riley Nelson.



Having said that, this is all moot though because Heaps isn't going to become all world at his new destination.

frdbtr wrote:
back in the day when moron BYU fans wanted Max hall benched in favor of Riley Nelson. .

I almost got in a fist fight with "those morons" i believe it was at the tcu game in 2009.

frdbtr wrote:

Having said that, this is all moot though because Heaps isn't going to become all world at his new destination.

How do you know? You seem to rip the kid at every turn. It is off putting.



Fact is, the kid has the talent. #1 rated QB in his class. Elite 11 camp MVP voted on by NFL QBs and counselors. He has the tools. The potential is there. But it is still unrealized potential at this point. But saying he never gets there is dumb, because we simply have no idea. And that is why his transfer is so frustrating. His results were poor, but his potential is still great. And that is why I am torn. If he hits it somewhere else, it truly will be BYU's loss.

Lawboy wrote:

Having said that, this is all moot though because Heaps isn't going to become all world at his new destination.

How do you know? You seem to rip the kid at every turn. It is off putting.



Fact is, the kid has the talent. #1 rated QB in his class. Elite 11 camp MVP voted on by NFL QBs and counselors. He has the tools. The potential is there. But it is still unrealized potential at this point. But saying he never gets there is dumb, because we simply have no idea. And that is why his transfer is so frustrating. His results were poor, but his potential is still great. And that is why I am torn. If he hits it somewhere else, it truly will be BYU's loss.

It is my opinion based on logic and life experience. With all of that talent you mentioned combined with him getting all the starting reps at BYU for over a year, he couldn't perform better on the field then a guy that didn't have half his talent. I don't see how he will be able to put it together anywhere else where the competition will probably be equally if not more intense then it was here.

Lawboy wrote:

Having said that, this is all moot though because Heaps isn't going to become all world at his new destination.

How do you know? You seem to rip the kid at every turn. It is off putting.



Fact is, the kid has the talent. #1 rated QB in his class. Elite 11 camp MVP voted on by NFL QBs and counselors. He has the tools. The potential is there. But it is still unrealized potential at this point. But saying he never gets there is dumb, because we simply have no idea. And that is why his transfer is so frustrating. His results were poor, but his potential is still great. And that is why I am torn. If he hits it somewhere else, it truly will be BYU's loss.

You've got a man-crush on Heaps potential, Lawboy.



A slot machine has the potential to make me a millionaire, doesn't mean I spend my life's savings trying to unlock the potential in the slot machine.



Heaps could get all the 1:1 coaching and opportunities in the world and it still may not payout. That's the funny thing with potential. It only means something if it's put in motion.



Heaps holds the quarters. Not Bronco, not Doman, not BYU, and not any other school he goes to. So far, there isn't much inclination of a payout. He got worse, not better. His work ethic diminished. His fortitude shrinked. In essence he moved further away from his potential.



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So you refer to risk reward. Heaps is much better looking than a slot machine.