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Two things about Heaps I really liked vs. Idaho

by Dcr36 · 11/15/2011

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Dcr36
1. Yards after catch. When I did that thread a few weeks ago comparing Riley and Jake in the USU game, one of the things I noticed most about Jake's offense is that very few plays resulted in significant YAC. Often, that's by design with out routes, corner routes and comebacks, but even a lot of his throws over the middle and some screen throws resulted in little movement after the catch. To my eye, it was a problem created by inaccurate or nearly-uncatchable throws - the receivers would have to extend themselves out to catch the ball, and would have to re-establish momentum (or even equilibrium) after the catch. By that time, they had either already tripped themselves up or were swarmed by defenders.



Against Idaho, it seemed like a lot more of our passes resulted in decent YAC. That pass to Hoffman on the first drive of the night was great - Hoffman caught it in stride, eyed a route and was able to get a lot of extra yards. A few less noteworthy, but improved, passes were thrown, especially over the middle and to our TEs. I really only noticed the problem return at the beginning of the last drive of the first half - there was no YAC at all on our first two completions, on the first pass it seemed pretty obvious it wasn't be design because it left the clock running and only picked up 3 or 4 yards. The second pass was probably by design - it occurred on the sidelines, presumably TO stop the stop.



You can attribute this to improved effort/performance by our receivers, better playcalling, etc. But my take after the USU game was that Heaps' throws basically locked the receivers down.



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Heaps laughing with his teammates in the huddle. It doesn't discredit the rumors surrounding Heaps, the locker room atmosphere, etc. But I'll take it as a good sign.
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Cougarbib
When the starter is injured, the team rallys around the back-up. Jake has had his finest moments in relief of an injured RIley Nelson and his worst moments playing in front of a healthy RIley Nelson.



It seems clear that the team feels Jake is the clear #2 QB and thus now #1 with RIley out.



If Jake throws accurately, consistently, with precision - magic will happen and the rising tide will lift all of the boats as did Riley this year and Jake after the bye week last year.



Once you cut through al of the excuses and nonsense, that is what it boils down to.



Just as this post points out, after a few low throws, Jke settled in and threw with much more consistency and all of a sudden he was finsihing drives. HIs interception was not a drop, or a horrible OL, or lack of time to throw, maybe due to receiver being a short white guy, but he just plain overthrew it. Luckily, that was an exception and more thanoffset by good plays.



And yes - this was not Texas or TCU - but it wasn't ISU either and he looked much better than he looked a couple of weeks ago vs ISU.
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Cougs_Rule
So Bib are you suggesting that level of effort in the form of "rally" was different for jake vs Riley? Finally, someone willing to point out that the team played better for Riley than Jake early on. And during this game they did play harder for jake. Hoff and a few others went down and grabbed a few low passes; everybody but McKay, that is.
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Cougarbib
dmcougar wrote:
So Bib are you suggesting that level of effort in the form of "rally" was different for jake vs Riley? Finally, someone willing to point out that the team played better for Riley than Jake early on. And during this game they did play harder for jake. Hoff and a few others went down and grabbed a few low passes; everybody but McKay, that is.


Players always play harder for players that inspire them, give them confidence, and make sure they know what to do. That is why you have heard Bronco talk about Riley being a better leader since the day Jake and Riley first battled in 2010.



Just one example - when Riley runs a draw, the linemen drive into the pile and smash it forward. When Jake, on rare occasions runs the ball, he is tentative, slides before any contact is near, and it seems clear that he is not wanting the linemen to smash in behind him and push him forward.



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Lawboy
Cougarbib2 wrote:
So Bib are you suggesting that level of effort in the form of "rally" was different for jake vs Riley? Finally, someone willing to point out that the team played better for Riley than Jake early on. And during this game they did play harder for jake. Hoff and a few others went down and grabbed a few low passes; everybody but McKay, that is.






Just one example - when Riley runs a draw, the linemen drive into the pile and smash it forward. When Jake, on rare occasions runs the ball, he is tentative, slides before any contact is near, and it seems clear that he is not wanting the linemen to smash in behind him and push him forward.


And with Rley being hurt for the 2nd year in a row with potential season ending injuries, that is something he is going to have to learn to stop. Tough QBS that get hurt do no one any good. There is something to be said for a QB with discretion. QB sliding or avoiding a collision is smart. Riley needs to learn that. He got stuck hard 3 times in the Idaho games, multiple times vs. TCU, and every other game. He is 6', 195, not 230 or more. HE is no fullback. Part of the cult of personality of Riley is the fact he plays like a FB--to his own detriment. Even Bronco eats it up, and it is flat out stupid. It only feeds the cult, and it is dumb. He needs to learn to avoid contact and to play another series.



Bronco said that Riley uttered the words "When will I ever learn" after he came out of the Idaho game? That is a great question. Cause if he doesn't, I expect another injury in 2012 for him.
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SenorCougar
Lawboy wrote:
dmcougar wrote:
So Bib are you suggesting that level of effort in the form of "rally" was different for jake vs Riley? Finally, someone willing to point out that the team played better for Riley than Jake early on. And during this game they did play harder for jake. Hoff and a few others went down and grabbed a few low passes; everybody but McKay, that is.






Just one example - when Riley runs a draw, the linemen drive into the pile and smash it forward. When Jake, on rare occasions runs the ball, he is tentative, slides before any contact is near, and it seems clear that he is not wanting the linemen to smash in behind him and push him forward.


And with Rley being hurt for the 2nd year in a row with potential season ending injuries, that is something he is going to have to learn to stop. Tough QBS that get hurt do no one any good. There is something to be said for a QB with discretion. QB sliding or avoiding a collision is smart. Riley needs to learn that. He got stuck hard 3 times in the Idaho games, multiple times vs. TCU, and every other game. He is 6', 195, not 230 or more. HE is no fullback. Part of the cult of personality of Riley is the fact he plays like a FB--to his own detriment. Even Bronco eats it up, and it is flat out stupid. It only feeds the cult, and it is dumb. He needs to learn to avoid contact and to play another series.



Bronco said that Riley uttered the words "When will I ever learn" after he came out of the Idaho game? That is a great question. Cause if he doesn't, I expect another injury in 2012 for him.


"When will I ever learn?" I thought his injury was unavoidable. I didn't appear to happen running, but getting his bell rung throwing the ball, including the TD pass. Took a lot of courage...
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Wickchad
SenorCougar wrote:
Cougarbib2 wrote:
So Bib are you suggesting that level of effort in the form of "rally" was different for jake vs Riley? Finally, someone willing to point out that the team played better for Riley than Jake early on. And during this game they did play harder for jake. Hoff and a few others went down and grabbed a few low passes; everybody but McKay, that is.






Just one example - when Riley runs a draw, the linemen drive into the pile and smash it forward. When Jake, on rare occasions runs the ball, he is tentative, slides before any contact is near, and it seems clear that he is not wanting the linemen to smash in behind him and push him forward.


And with Rley being hurt for the 2nd year in a row with potential season ending injuries, that is something he is going to have to learn to stop. Tough QBS that get hurt do no one any good. There is something to be said for a QB with discretion. QB sliding or avoiding a collision is smart. Riley needs to learn that. He got stuck hard 3 times in the Idaho games, multiple times vs. TCU, and every other game. He is 6', 195, not 230 or more. HE is no fullback. Part of the cult of personality of Riley is the fact he plays like a FB--to his own detriment. Even Bronco eats it up, and it is flat out stupid. It only feeds the cult, and it is dumb. He needs to learn to avoid contact and to play another series.



Bronco said that Riley uttered the words "When will I ever learn" after he came out of the Idaho game? That is a great question. Cause if he doesn't, I expect another injury in 2012 for him.


"When will I ever learn?" I thought his injury was unavoidable. I didn't appear to happen running, but getting his bell rung throwing the ball, including the TD pass. Took a lot of courage...


I'm only speculating, but I highly doubt Riley got hurt on the TD throw. He basically was pushed from the front and fell on his back. I think he got hurt on one of two plays. Either his first run where he gained about 9 yards and was leveled from the side by a safety, or where he got hit as he was throwing it and it was almost intercepted along the sideline. Those two hits were big hits and probably caused the injury. I think he played through it for a couple of plays to finish the drive. Possibly he had the air knocked out of him on the TD as he hit the ground on account of his 30% collapsed lung and all.
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