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How will you feel if Jake transfers?

by Dcr36 · 11/11/2011

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Dcr36
Forgive the following, I just wanted to share my two cents, but I think I went well beyond coinage. Sorry. ;)



I'm not privy to any inside information, so I could totally be wrong, but I don't think Heaps transferring is a foregone conclusion. I've been asking myself, though - if Heaps transfers, how do I feel about him? About the coaching staff? About BYU football in general?



1. How I'd feel about Heaps if he transfers



I don't believe there's anything inherently wrong with transferring. People transfer for different reasons.



If someone transfers for family reasons, for spiritual reasons, or because they feel like the environment at their original school was harmful on their well-being, I understand that and I think that's a justifiable move.



If someone looks at the depth chart and realizes, a la Garrett Gilbert and Tate Forcier, that they're likely never going to return to significant playing time, I get that too (even if Forcier had a bad attitude about it). No reason sitting on a bench for a team that doesn't want you.



Then there are the transfers that bother me. Obviously, if someone transfers as a means of getting around the rules (like Jeremiah Masoli), that bothers me. If Cam Newton really believed that Florida would never give him a second chance, I guess his transfer was justified, but leaving amid a cheating scandal strikes me as irresponsible. I guess, overall, the transfers that bother me are the ones where it represents a player shirking responsibility.



And this is why, when people say, "How can you be opposed to Jake transferring when we're in favor of taking in athletes from other colleges?" I think it's kind of a lame duck argument. Obviously, I'm going to be more deferential to players coming into BYU, but it seems like most of the time, these kids transfer (at least externally) for good reasons. If Uona Kavinga says that USC was a bad environment for him and that he hopes BYU will help him spiritually, I like that. If Riley Nelson wants to put "BYU QB" on his med school apps in hopes of getting into a better school, I like that too.



If Heaps chooses to transfer, I guess only he will know what his motivations are. He wouldn't be transferring or more playing time, or earlier playing time - it looks like, no matter where he is, 2013 and 2014 are his to lose. So it would have to be something else. Maybe he doesn't like Provo. Maybe this season's been tough on him and he feels he's embarrassed himself here beyond the point of redemption. Maybe he honestly feels that the coaching staff doesn't know how to maximize his talents, and maybe he's right. But there are a few things that would bother me if Heaps transferred.



First is his recruiting class. When Butch Paau was contemplating other schools a few weeks ago, a fair number of people were a little bothered that he would look elsewhere when he had essentially committed in tandem with a non-member friend. Heaps similarly did a lot to help us with our 2009 recruiting class. Ross Apo and Joshua Quezada both chose BYU in large part because of Heaps' recruiting assistance. I was super-happy he was doing it at the time. I still am.

I don't think Jake Heaps should feel tethered to BYU simply because he was the nexus that brought other athletes here. But if you persuaded other players to come here, you'd have to think twice before you abandon them, right? Especially when, for a lot of them, BYU might not be the most comfortable social or cultural fit. Heaps has struggled to assert himself as the leader of the team, but there's no doubt he holds a leadership sway with some members of the locker room. I don't think it's in good form to abandon those people, even if it's going to be a while before that leadership gets a chance to show on the field.



Second, if Heaps chooses to transfer on the basis of doubts concerning the coaching staff's abilities, I'd feel like he was making an awfully short-sighted decision. For those who repeatedly suggest that Bronco and Co. are letting Heaps down with their coaching, it really needs to be reiterated: since Bronco Mendenhall became coach at BYU, we have had no problem in cultivating and improving our starting quarterbacks. If you believe that Doman is letting down Heaps, you have to believe so on one of the following assumptions:

1) that Doman and Heaps are just a bad fit together. Whether it's attitude, the mental aspect, whatever, they're just not a good pair.

2. Doman and the offense has changed too much since 2005-2009. Either Anae did more than we thought to make our QBs look good, or Doman is swamped and is wearing too many hats.

I think most would agree that there's at least some truth to the latter part of #2. However (and this is I hope Heaps understands) - if Doman is struggling with his new responsibilities, I would imagine that many of these struggles are beginner's steps and he's only going to get better. If I were Heaps, I'd look at the following - Doman was a great QB coach, so he clearly can cultivate talent. He's still a little iffy as an OC, but there's no doubt he's gotten MUCH better even in the course of one season, which is a good sign for the future.

Heaps can sit on the bench and give Doman another year to acclimate to his new responsibilities. Let Nelson be his guinea pig. Then, in 2013, you take the reins under a significantly more experienced and wiser OC. Even with all the question marks surrounding Doman, I don't believe there will be many programs open to Heaps that look better than BYU in 2013 and 2014.



Finally, I would always wonder about Heaps' character. I want to say that without making any accusations. As I said earlier, there are plenty of legit reasons to transfer, and if Heaps transfers, only he'll know what those are. I would just look at the good circumstances that still lay ahead of him at BYU, and wonder what happened that caused him to sour on them. I'd wonder if he'd taken accountability for the shortcomings this first 1/2 of the season, or if he was content to place the blame on everybody else.



I believe that one of the strongest marks of character and leadership is the ability to take accountability for your mistakes even when there IS plenty of blame to be tossed around. Our O-line is always going to make mistakes, just like every other O-line in the country. Our WRs are going to blow routes. Our coaches are going to make bone-headed decisions. But a great QB would approach his job from an angle of "What can I personally do to make the offense better?" That's when you become legend material, the type of QB that makes your supporting cast look better than it actually is.



If Heaps left, I'd always wonder if he had that intangible ability. I'd wonder if he left as a pragmatic decision because he felt he could do better elsewhere, or if he just got fed up with his supporting cast and said "screw this, I'm outta here." That's not fair speculation on my part, but it would be a question Heaps would leave unanswered in his time at BYU.
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Dcr36
2. How I'd feel about the coaches if Heaps left



I guess I've already talked a little bit about this in regards to Doman, so I'll skip over that. I do think it's unfortunate that we've had to break in a new OC and a new QB at the same time, but it's not like a QB has a long shelf life in college. Plus, the demand to get rid of Anae was pretty loud at this time last year.



I'm more concerned about those accusations being made that our coaching staff failed to "properly manage" this situation. In particular, those who feel it was wrong to give the offense over to Nelson because it was a short-sighted decision that cost Heaps his reps, his leadership cred, and possibly his desire to stay at BYU.



Here's how I feel - there's nothing wrong with tanking a season in the name of breaking in a new QB if you think he's going to win you a lot of games down the road. In most cases, if you have a young kid with a lot of upside, and an older kid with less potential but is currently playing at a slightly higher level, and playing the younger kid is going to cost you a game or two, that's fine. Neither kid is going to give you a season for the ages, so you might as well play the one who'll set you up for one later down the road.



However, and this is what seems to be lost on Gordon Monson and Brad Rock, there's definitely a problem with tanking multiple seasons in the name of developing a quarterback. Heaps played most of 2010 out of necessity, but we definitely gritted through an ugly 7-6 season in the name of developing Heaps for later, more glorious seasons.



If you're into the second season, and your young QB's play is going to lead to Ls that someone on the bench can win, at that point you need to start asking questions. The coaching staff came to the conclusion that Nelson was better for our football team this year. From my personal vantage point, the decision was two-fold - the coaches felt BYU would win more games with Nelson under center, and that Heaps was becoming a WORSE QB with every game and would develop better on the bench. We'll never know how Heaps would've done had he played the rest of the season. We can assume that USU would've been a loss (and BYU can't lose to USU, PERIOD.) Personally, I doubt we beat OSU with Heaps.



More specifically to the accusation that the coaches "poorly managed" the situation - you just can't endure too many losses in the name of cultivating a QB. The program needs to be bigger than just one player. If you continue to lose when it's been established (as it was after USU) that there's someone on the bench who could lead you to a win, you're sending a message that you're more concerned about the QB's development then you are with the rest of the team's progression. Yes, it's possible that maybe it still pays off down the line, but you can't expect the coaches to agree to 2-3 seasons of mediocrity in the hopes that maybe there's a BCS season at the end of it.



If one of the prerequisites for keeping Heaps in BYU blue was making sure he was on the field getting experience, even if his play was less than stellar, then he was essentially a 5-star set of handcuffs. I don't believe Heaps is a prima donna (I have no firsthand evidence that he is), but if he left because of how his playing time was "mananged," that would strike me as dumb, especially since 3.5 of his 4 years of eligibility would be spent on the field.



I guess, put more bluntly, I wouldn't blame the coaching staff if Heaps left because of the benching, because they made the right decision for the TEAM, and a departure by Heaps as a result would speak more about Heaps than it would about BYU's coaches.



Your thoughts? You don't have to be as verbose. ;)
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imuakahuku
Wouldn't give it a second thought. Same as the last 5 star. If he can't be mature enough to prepare himself and work to "win" the starting job then feel free to go somewhere else where they hand out starting jobs based on number of start accumulated.



That said, indications are that he is taking it like a man so hopefully this will just all be what if and nothing more.
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Schmoe
Here's how I'd feel: meh.
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frdbtr
I want Jake here. He should talk to O'neil Chambers about transferring before he leaves for having been benched. If Jake leaves he is a quitter, we don't need quitters.
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EM_Puma
imuakahuku wrote:
Wouldn't give it a second thought. Same as the last 5 star. If he can't be mature enough to prepare himself and work to "win" the starting job then feel free to go somewhere else where they hand out starting jobs based on number of start accumulated.



That said, indications are that he is taking it like a man so hopefully this will just all be what if and nothing more.


My feelings exactly.
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scott715
He is not leaving so this is a moot topic.
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Ddawg
frdbtr wrote:
I want Jake here. He should talk to O'neil Chambers about transferring before he leaves for having been benched. If Jake leaves he is a quitter, we don't need quitters.


I agree - O.C. is a stellar example of handling adversity & being tough. I don't see Jake transferring. QB's getting swapped out & redshirted in college is like ordering a #1 @ In-N-Out. It happens all the time. Jake will grow & be a very good QB @ BYU. He's a victim of unrealistic expectations. He is very talented - but he is young.
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Ddawg
scott715 wrote:
He is not leaving so this is a moot topic.


Bingo! Jake is not leaving. 8)
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jonnylingo
I wouldn't care unless he transferred and then under better coaches became a world beater. then i would be ticked.



taysom hill will have one year to redshirt while riley would play with lark and munns backing him up. taysom would then have munns to back him up during his red shrit freshman year and the year after that i think mangum shows up.



we would be fine. hope he stays. with all the talent and quarterback we have it is hard to understand why the most limited player is getting all the playing time and reps. i really want to see the job open up again. i want to see lark getting some meaningful reps to see if he can take it from nelson. if he cant, fine, but give him a shot. jake couldn't do it, let lark or munns have a meaningful shot at trying.
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ABYUFAN
We always have been and will continue to be bigger than one player. I'd wish him well, but happily move on.
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SpiffCoug
I'd be disappointed that someone with incredible talent didn't think he could or wanted to use that talent to help BYU win games.



But I wouldn't give him two thoughts after he left. I wouldn't follow his career any more than I follow any other player who leaves BYU.
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Brayden Green
How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow and zombies ruled the earth, and only a few of you were still alive?



That question has about the same relevance as this one. Until he actually does or doesn't redshirt and does or doesn't transfer, I don't really want to hear another word about it, personally.



And it speaks to level of crap opponents in our November schedule that we are talking about "what if this XYZ happen" through the entire month of november, rather than ramping up for a conference championship and our hardest game of the year, or something of the like.
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Guest
If we were in a conference this year we'd still have nothing to talk about because we'd be out of the conference championship race. Maybe we'd get lucky and have 1 of the best teams in the conference as a later game, maybe it would be the patsies of the conference.
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ABYUFAN
BlueIsBetter wrote:
How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow and zombies ruled the earth, and only a few of you were still alive?




I'd be OK if I got to drive that Mustang that Will Smith drove in whatever movie that was... (I liked the book better but the name of both are escaping me right now...)
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jonnylingo
BlueIsBetter wrote:
How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow and zombies ruled the earth, and only a few of you were still alive?



That question has about the same relevance as this one. Until he actually does or doesn't redshirt and does or doesn't transfer, I don't really want to hear another word about it, personally.



And it speaks to level of crap opponents in our November schedule that we are talking about "what if this XYZ happen" through the entire month of november, rather than ramping up for a conference championship and our hardest game of the year, or something of the like.


I guess it is still better than talking about turf versus grass.
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Schmoe
ABYUFAN wrote:
How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow and zombies ruled the earth, and only a few of you were still alive?




I'd be OK if I got to drive tht Mustang that Will Smith drove in whatever movie that was... (I liked the bookbetter but the name of both are escaping me right now...)


I Am Legend. The novel is infinitely better than the film, and the creatures in the novel are really more like vampires than they are zombies.
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Dcr36
BlueIsBetter wrote:
How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow and zombies ruled the earth, and only a few of you were still alive?



That question has about the same relevance as this one. Until he actually does or doesn't redshirt and does or doesn't transfer, I don't really want to hear another word about it, personally.



And it speaks to level of crap opponents in our November schedule that we are talking about "what if this XYZ happen" through the entire month of november, rather than ramping up for a conference championship and our hardest game of the year, or something of the like.


Hey, I'm more than willing to discuss the Palouse's second-finest team. ;)



I really don't see the harm in discussing any possible scenarios that would have heavy ramifications on BYU football. Conference realignment is a fair topic, right? Unsigned recruits? Coaching changes?



If there are rumors that Heaps is mulling his options (and there are) I think they're fair topics, and I think we'd be discussing the possible transfer of a 5-star QB that's looked good at times any given year regardless of schedule.
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Dcr36
hawkwing wrote:
If we were in a conference this year we'd still have nothing to talk about because we'd be out of the conference championship race.


That's what you think. BYU 2011 HONORARY WAC CHAMPIONS ;)
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jonnylingo
Schmoe wrote:
BlueIsBetter wrote:
How would you feel if you woke up tomorrow and zombies ruled the earth, and only a few of you were still alive?




I'd be OK if I got to drive tht Mustang that Will Smith drove in whatever movie that was... (I liked the bookbetter but the name of both are escaping me right now...)


I Am Legend. The novel is infinitely better than the film, and the creatures in the novel are really more like vampires than they are zombies.


Very true. Liked the movie but the book was MUCH better.
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