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Why I'm not talking BYU football for the rest of the year

by Dcr36 · 11/1/2011

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Dcr36
Because:



1. Aside from our bowl game and MAYBE Hawaii, there's nothing of substance to talk about. That's not intended as a knock on our schedule, though you're free to read it as such. It's just that "who gives us a better chance to beat Idaho?" isn't a very sexy topic.



2. I think the realignment disappointments, Utah's Pac-12 affiliation and the Utah loss put a lot of fans in bad moods from the get-go. A lot of chippiness (towards other fans) and unreasonable expectations (not towards the team, which has underperformed, but towards the AD/front office).



3. Most importantly of all, this Riley-Heaps psychodrama has gotten ridiculous. Virtually every thread ends up touching on it, and at this point it's about as productive and enlightening as some of the lesser Bible bashes from my mission. I know where everybody stands and can usually guess who will say what on any particular thread (and that's not intended as a brag, as I assume most of the CC faithful can do the same at this point).



I like CougarCorner for providing a higher level of analysis to BYU football compared to its alternatives, but at this point Riley vs. Heaps arguments are less about learning anything about our QB situation and more about defending the point of view you adopted earlier in the season. It's not talking about BYU football anymore, it's trying to win an argument for the right to say "I told you so."



4. Finally, the Bronco-hate. It's admittedly justified on some scale, but it bothers me for two reasons. First, because on the gradient of "things I can change vs. things I can't change," it definitely falls under the latter. If analyzing Bronco's mistakes is just going to get me angry about something I can't change, then football fails the minimum test of "provide more joy than misery" that I require of any sort of entertainment.



Second, it's pointless unless a better alternative is available. I was against the Anae-hate last year for the same reason, and it's a reality BYU always has to face: good coaches are going to be hard to come by. Bronco, in my mind, currently ranks at "coaches teams that beat opponents below their talent/recruiting level, and loses to teams above their talent/recruiting level." That's about 85% of coaches. He's not Petersen, Patterson, Wittingham or Harbaugh in the sense that he can convert lesser talent into Ws against big-name teams, but aside from those 4, I can't think of many others who have done that for a prolonged period of time.



Anyways, I'm looking forward to basketball season, and hoping we can take down Utah, OSU, Wazzu, BSU and GT next year.
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Cougarbib
Pretty much agree but get used to the idea that no matter who plays QB, we are going to lose 2 or 3 of the games you listed. Over scheduled.



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I hope that you can't stay away, for selfish reasons. You've provided some of the best statistical and quantitative analysis ever on this site.
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Dcr36
hawkwing wrote:
I hope that you can't stay away, for selfish reasons. You've provided some of the best statistical and quantitative analysis ever on this site.


Oh shoot, this wasn't intended as one of those whiny "this place sucks, I'm outta here!" posts. I can assure you I'm not that emo or self-important. ;)



I'm just saying, as far as the "current issues" are concerned (remaining games, Riley vs. Heaps, can Bronco take us to the promised land, etc.) I'm spent. I don't see the point in continuing in an argument when you've recognized that emotion has trumped logic, and I think a lot of those topics are there, or fast approaching.
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Guest
I agree with you. I think my days of commenting on those threads are over. But I hope you still have some things to say about other topics!
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Brayden Green
agree 100%



It is getting borderline ridiculous in here.



Like I tell my wife: It's not about WHO is right, but WHAT is right. At this point, I could care less who is under center. It won't matter the next 2 games anyways. All we **should** be debating is who is going to give us the best chance to win any of the hard games next season. If this season is any indicator, neither one will be. Also, I'm not really sure that it matters anyways. We probably won't win 50% of the teams listed above on the road, so we are all probably arguing a moot point anyways.
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BoiseBYU
DC don't leave us! How about let's talk about why the PAC12 didn't invite us...oh wait check that But still stay a while yet!



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Dcr36
BoiseBYU wrote:
DC don't leave us! How about let's talk about why the PAC12 didn't invite us...oh wait check that But still stay a while yet!



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Not leaving! Maybe I should have titled this post "why I'm not talking *insert topic X* any more."



It just feels like, these days, "BYU football" equals "our scheduling sucks, this independence thing was a bad idea, Holmoe must've done something stupid like tell Chuck Neinas that Texas brisket is overrated, but it doesn't matter because Heaps and Nelson couldn't hold Max Hall's jock, but I do have a strong opinion that one is better than the other, and if you disagree you're a moron. P.S. Where's James Lark?"
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BoiseBYU
DC you put it like that and I agree. ...Until I go ahead and post on one of those topics O:-)



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Dcr36
BoiseBYU wrote:
DC you put it like that and I agree. ...Until I go ahead and post on one of those topics O:-)



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Heh, it takes some willpower not to interject when I peek at some of those threads. And some people thrive on controversy. I'm just not that type of person. I'm happier when I'm not getting caught up in this stuff.



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BoiseBYU
Dcr36 wrote:
DC you put it like that and I agree. ...Until I go ahead and post on one of those topics O:-)



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Heh, it takes some willpower not to interject when I peek at some of those threads. And some people thrive on controversy. I'm just not that type of person. I'm happier when I'm not getting caught up in this stuff.


Well I disagree ;)
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CougarClaw
it's so bad it's getting REDiculous.
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Mars


I like to think that I bowed out of the Riley V. Jake argument months ago, on the grounds that apparently I don't know what the crap I'm talking about. :P
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ABYUFAN
Mars wrote:


I like to think that I bowed out of the Riley V. Jake argument months ago, on the grounds that apparently I don't know what the crap I'm talking about. :P
finally cottoned on have you? ;)



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IowaCougar
Dcr36 wrote:
It just feels like, these days, "BYU football" equals "our scheduling sucks, this independence thing was a bad idea, Holmoe must've done something stupid like tell Chuck Neinas that Texas brisket is overrated, but it doesn't matter because Heaps and Nelson couldn't hold Max Hall's jock, but I do have a strong opinion that one is better than the other, and if you disagree you're a moron. P.S. Where's James Lark?"


This is the past couple of weeks' entire discussion thread - Readers' Digest version. What a great summary! :lol:
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trueblue72
IowaCougar wrote:
It just feels like, these days, "BYU football" equals "our scheduling sucks, this independence thing was a bad idea, Holmoe must've done something stupid like tell Chuck Neinas that Texas brisket is overrated, but it doesn't matter because Heaps and Nelson couldn't hold Max Hall's jock, but I do have a strong opinion that one is better than the other, and if you disagree you're a moron. P.S. Where's James Lark?"


This is the past couple of weeks' entire discussion thread - Readers' Digest version. What a great summary! :lol:


Well said! Let's take dcr's lead and be more positive! With the weather conditions today we can talk about duck hunting?



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scott715
i am waiting on announcements of the future schedule and recruiting news.
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Gunk
If you want to transfer, Dcr, clearly you don't have what it takes to post here on CougarCorner. (tic)



Seriously, though, our current state of posts is what happens when there isn't much to talk about. We have to come up with something as the games are ho-hum, there is no conference standings to compete for, and all hope of a BCS bid went out the door the 2nd game into the season. What's left? QB controvery, Big Whatever speculation and if-only conversations.



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Qman
I am just moving the basketball forum. I think I will be happier there.
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frdbtr
Dcr36 wrote:
Second, it's pointless unless a better alternative is available. I was against the Anae-hate last year for the same reason, and it's a reality BYU always has to face: good coaches are going to be hard to come by. Bronco, in my mind, currently ranks at "coaches teams that beat opponents below their talent/recruiting level, and loses to teams above their talent/recruiting level." That's about 85% of coaches. He's not Petersen, Patterson, Wittingham or Harbaugh in the sense that he can convert lesser talent into Ws against big-name teams, but aside from those 4, I can't think of many others who have done that for a prolonged period of time.


You do realize that you have lumped a guy that has gone 1-4 against mediocre pac 10 talent this year in your "great coaches" group don't you?



The only team wittingham consistantly gets his team up for every year is BYU, and it seems their bowl games. utah went undefeated in 2008 on the leg of a TCU kicker who missed not one, not two but 3 fg's that were inside 20 yards. Then took advantage of a disheartened Alabama team in the sugar bowl. I think if wittingham had been hired as the BYU coach in 2005, we would have fired him by now. His first 3 years at utah were a joy to watch for a BYU fan watching him look like a blind man trying to hit a dart board. Then he struck gold with luck and a very talented QB in 2008 and now all of a sudden he is a genius. Well, look at what he has done in the PAC this year and I just don't see how in the world he gets lumped with Harbaugh, and Peterson, just because his team seems to play above its head every time it meets BYU. IMO, when you prepare all year for 1 game, you get a great result in that one game, which is exactly what happened this year.
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