Does Doman Suck?

This is absolutely not an attempt to start another Heaps vs Nelson thread and I hope the Mods expel anyone who tries to turn this into it.



A lot of blame for Heaps failures this year has been on the poor job Doman has been doing. I don't know if I see any epic failures on Doman's part other than growing pains just getting a good feel and understanding for his position.



When he became the OC he said he would open the offense up more, back to more a traditional BYU offense, which I think he has. We have seen more passes down field so far this year than we did all of last year, there have been more roll outs and bootlegs with the QB's that has been absent for quite a while, and the tight end is starting to be used more and more this year.



So those who are saying he is doing a bad job what is it specifically he is failing at? Because it seems on the surface he is trying to do what he said he would do in the off season?

No Doman does not suck. Doman is improving and will get better at his job.

Rookie mistakes



Should have picked up the tempo



Should not have changed the Offense with 10 starters returning but many of them young and relatively inexperienced - should have leveraged them in existing offense initially. Build from there. They could have been a huge asset.



Should have switched QBs vs Texas Q3



Should have started with simpler O instead of simplifying later



Should have gone upstairs week 1



I am sure he could improve some specific play calls



Clock and time-out mismanagement at times



He is improving - should be fine



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Sucks less now that he did early on, but the jury is still out as to whether he has the chops to be a D-I coordinator.

Doman isn't as good as Anae. I hope he gets there and passes him, but he has struggled.

First season as a D1 OC. He's learning.



If you expected an immediate improvement in the offense with a rookie OC at the helm your expectations were extremely high. Give him a few seasons.



Doman can only control what he can control (play calling, sitting up in the box, etc.), so judge him accordingly. He can't control JJ fumbles, poor snaps from Brown, or 5 yard overthrows from Jake.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Rookie mistakes



Should have picked up the tempo

Clock and time-out mismanagement at times

These were two of the most frustrating for me, though I don't know how much blame goes on Doman versus Heaps. I know Nelson seems to operate at a faster tempo and is a much better time manager at the end of halves/games, but I don't know whether the credit goes to Doman or Nelson.

This is what I am talking about, just vague comments about him not being good and no specifics. Am I looking at this with a kind of revisionist history not seeing what was so bad. Was it play calling, not making in game adjustments or not scoring enough points?



I know after a couple of games some of the blocking schemes where changed to make it easier for the O line, but are folks blaming Doman for dropped passes, or over/under thrown passes? I would like to hear from some of you who mentioned this as part of the QB's problems and put it on Doman's shoulders as to why.



I think as a rookie OC he has done fine and has continued to learn his position through the first half of the year.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Rookie mistakes



Should have picked up the tempo

I will agree with you here, the play in the first couple of games was agonizingly slow and I was urging them to pick up the tempo.

How did Doman compare to Anae in their first season? Doman I would say had more experience to work with. Anae had a great core group that rolled up a lot of points. I guess that would be the best comparison that we have. Anea was super consistent...to the point that he NEVER changed a thing. Doman is working through his issues, and he will continue to improve. I am not that worried.

blue42 wrote:

Rookie mistakes



Should have picked up the tempo

I will agree with you here, the play in the first couple of games was agonizingly slow and I was urging them to pick up the tempo.

As the offense was simplified the tempo picked up. I think it took Heaps a long time to read the defense and make the calls based on a more complex offense. I don't think Doman wanted a slow tempo on purpose. I'm glad to see with a simplified offense that has picked up.



His playcalling the first few games was not great, but it has looked a ton better since we have found a great running game. Imagine that. And I have loved the bootlegs and deep passes. I think he will turn out to be a fine OC.

He looks good against inferior competition. Which pretty much explains BYU football, in a nutshell.



I do like the come from behind wins. I do not like that games were so badly called that we had to come from behind.



The offense still does not look good. They were not prepared, and are still making stupid, unforced penalties mid season. The Oline can't get in the redzone without a false start or holding penalty, and that is ultimately on coaching.



He has called some good halves, but has yet to call a good game. Defense teams adjust, and he has no answer for it. We have been ahead, or in every game at the half this year. I saw a stat at the half last game, that we had been outscored something like 40-7 in the 3rd quarter.



Clearly teams are figuring us out, and we aren't making the correct adjustments.

Doman's work product has not met expectations. There are a number of reasons:



1) Expectations were WAY TOO HIGH.

Cougar Nation had convinced itself that everything good that happened in 2010 was a function of Doman and everything bad was a function of Anae. Flat Wrong. Couple that with Independence, 10 returning starters including a 5-Star QB and unless everything clicked, he had no shot.



2) Experience

See #1 above. Also remember that he was a QB coach while Anae was an OL Coach before becoming OC. As an OL coach, Anae had experience in developing blocking schemes, the grass roots of an offense. There were reports early on that the OLine was asking for a more simplified scheme. They often looked confused at the Line of Scrimmage in the first 3 games. That hasn't completely ended, but it is much reduced.



3) Ability

Is Doman one of those "can see it, but can't coach it" kind of guys? IDK. He did well with his QBs, but maybe the skillset is too different as an OC. Also, did he overestimate his ability to coach QBs and be OC? Why didn't he want to go to the booth? Did he feel the need to Coach Jake after each series (if so, that's on Doman, not Jake. He could do it by phone from the booth).



Doman is a competitor. I guarantee he's looking at his performance and asking himself what he needs to do to improve. We've seen better clock management, better play calling, and better overall performance. If Doman really is spread too thin, then they need to bring in a QB coach next year. And that's a topic for another thread.

blue42 wrote:
This is what I am talking about, just vague comments about him not being good and no specifics. Am I looking at this with a kind of revisionist history not seeing what was so bad. Was it play calling, not making in game adjustments or not scoring enough points?



I know after a couple of games some of the blocking schemes where changed to make it easier for the O line, but are folks blaming Doman for dropped passes, or over/under thrown passes? I would like to hear from some of you who mentioned this as part of the QB's problems and put it on Doman's shoulders as to why.



I think as a rookie OC he has done fine and has continued to learn his position through the first half of the year.

The OC is responsible for the entire product. Doman even recruited many of these guys - but being new they are not all his recruits.



OC has final say on who plays and what plays are called.



Bronco likewise. Overly idealistic and optimistic. This was the wrong year to boot the old OC and promote a rookie and change the system. We had a rebuild last year. Made an investment in several inexperienced players who finally got comfortable in the old system and improved and had momentum.



So instead of leveraging that - we say hey guys let's learn a new system while BD learns how to be an OC and Cahoon learns to coach, and Dupaix learns stuff other than the option.



Bronco and Brandon made that decision which may turn out to be a good sacrifice now for future good, which remains to be proven. But it was costly.



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Doman doesn't suck. His offensive play calling was very poorly executed the first several games. The team looked unprepared (illegal formations, illegal substitutions, wasted timeouts, etc.)



They've gotten better and are executing at a much higher level the last 2 1/2 games.



Riley Nelson is going to help both Doman and Heaps by providing both of them time to grow by being able to make plays when the plays break down.



Doman will continue to improve with each game he gets under his belt.



I thought Oregon St was the best game he's called all year.

SpiffCoug wrote:
Doman doesn't suck. His offensive play calling was very poorly executed the first several games. The team looked unprepared (illegal formations, illegal substitutions, wasted timeouts, etc.)



They've gotten better and are executing at a much higher level the last 2 1/2 games.



Riley Nelson is going to help both Doman and Heaps by providing both of them time to grow by being able to make plays when the plays break down.



Doman will continue to improve with each game he gets under his belt.



I thought Oregon St was the best game he's called all year.

You know what they say. Biggest growth comes between games 7 and 8.... or was that between games 1 and 2? :skeptic:



Seriously though, I agree with spiff. Doman has done a lot better the last 2 1/2 games, or Nelson is making him look a lot better. I think it's a mix of the two.

If you think of SJSU being game one and Oregon St being game 2, there's your marked improvement. Last week was the 2nd game of the Riley Nelson as Brandon Doman's starting quarterback.

SpiffCoug wrote:
If you think of SJSU being game one and Oregon St being game 2, there's your marked improvement. Last week was the 2nd game of the Riley Nelson as Brandon Doman's starting quarterback.

Good point. But I wasn't talking about Nelson, just Doman and the offense in general. It would have been nice to seem them play like this in TExas and vs the u. Those games would have been totally different.



See my other thread for weekly improvement for QB.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
He looks good against inferior competition. Which pretty much explains BYU football, in a nutshell.

This pretty much explains all of college football. Most teams look good against inferior competition.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
I do like the come from behind wins. I do not like that games were so badly called that we had to come from behind.

We've had all of one come from behind win due to the offense.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
The offense still does not look good. They were not prepared, and are still making stupid, unforced penalties mid season. The Oline can't get in the redzone without a false start or holding penalty, and that is ultimately on coaching.

The offense may not look good (although I'm not sure how 500 yards of offense in the last game, 945 yards in the last two games and one punt in the last 10 quarters doesn't qualify as good) but it looks much better than it did earlier. The redzone struggles you mentioned haven't hurt our ability to score more points than the previous game for four straight weeks.

BlueIsBetter wrote:
He has called some good halves, but has yet to call a good game. Defense teams adjust, and he has no answer for it. We have been ahead, or in every game at the half this year. I saw a stat at the half last game, that we had been outscored something like 40-7 in the 3rd quarter.

Those numbers are very different since we made the QB change:

We out scored OSU 10-7 in the 3rd and 14-7 in the 4th.

We out scored SJSU 6-3 in the 4th but were out scored 7-3 in the 3rd.

We were out scored 3-0 by USU but out scored them 14-0 in the 4th.

All tolled that's BYU 13 OPP 17 in the 3rd and BYU 34 OPP 10 in the 4th. 2nd half totals: BYU 47 OPP 27.



Those scores look to me like one team is making adjustments and another team isn't. But I can't quite figure out which team that it. Maybe it's the team scoring more points in the second half?

BlueIsBetter wrote:
Clearly teams are figuring us out, and we aren't making the correct adjustments.

Our offensive production (yards, points) is going up, it's clear teams aren't figuring us out.

The last two games are not an indicator of what we can do against a good, or even mediocre defense. SJSU and OSU are terrible, terrible teams.



Doman is getting better, and we actually have a running game now. Is that a sign of gelling and getting into the offense more, or a sign of us playing bad teams. I think it's a little of both. I hope it's more of the former than the latter, but keep your guard up, because the second we play a good defense, we may have a lot of problems.