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by hawkwing · 10/16/2011

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Ole Miss:

Win 14-13

Record: 2-4

Wins: Southern Illinois, Fresno

Loses: BYU, Vanderbilt, Georgia, Alabama



Texas:

Loss 17-16

Record: 4-2

Wins: Rice, BYU, UCLA, Iowa St.

Loses: Oklahoma, Ok St.



Utah:

Loss

Record: 3-3

Wins: Montana St., BYU, Pitt

Loss: USC, Washington, Az St.



UCF:

Win: 24-17

Record: 3-3

Wins: Charleston Southern, Boston College, Marshall

Loses: Florida International, BYU, Southern Methodist



Utah St:

Win: 27-24

Record: 2-4

Wins: Weber St., Wyoming

Loses: Auburn, CSU, BYU, Fresno St.



SJSU:

Win: 29-16

Record: 3-4

Wins: New Mexico St., CSU, Hawaii

Loses: Stanford, UCLA, Nevada, BYU



Oregon St.:

Win: 38-28

Record: 1-5

Wins: Arizona

Loses: Sacramento St., Wisconsin, UCLA, Az St., BYU
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Schmoe
Yeah, you can change Utah St. to 2-4 now, lost to a 2-4 Fresno State whose wins include a five point win over powerhouse North Dakota.
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SpiffCoug
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?
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1967cougar
SpiffCoug wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


Pitt totally sucked in that game. I would have to answer your question with a resounding "NO!"
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1967cougar
Thank you, Hawk, for your kind omission of the score of the BYU-Puketah game.
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Schmoe
It probably looks better than it actually is, Pitt's Saggy ranking is 61 and two of their three wins come against Buffalo and Maine.
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Cougarbib
Pitt had no offense at all. Their defense scored a TD early and their specal teams also scored one. Utah was down 14-3 when I flipped over to the game to take a look. They fought back and won it. Tried to give it away. Pitt turnovers kept mounting. I had to miss the very end of it, but after Utah failed to put it away on a drive that should have, Pitt must have turned it over again becasue Utah got another TD even though Pitt had taken over the ball with less than 2 minutes left, iirc, and a single score margin to try to overcme.



I had no doubt Utah would hold onto the win becasue Pitt offense could literally do nothing. But U defense must have done something.
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SpiffCoug
Then what's the best win by any of our opponents?
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Cougarbib
SpiffCoug wrote:
Then what's the best win by any of our opponents?


Good point. There realy isn't a standout win unless you count Texas beating up on UCLA as having a tiny edge. USU has the best almost win. ;)
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profgeek
SpiffCoug wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


I would say Utah State's loss to Auburn was better than any of the victories by our opponents.
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superchargedcougar
profgeek wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


I would say Utah State's loss to Auburn was better than any of the victories by our opponents.


The best win by any of our opponents was when the Utes beat us.



With this schedule we wouldn't have gotten into the NC if we were undefeated, Jake Heaps had thrown for an average of 6 TDs a game and had 0 interceptions, held our opponents to negative rushing yards every game, shutout UCF, USU, SJSU, and OSU, and held our opponents to an average of under 7 points. Our SOS is seriously crappy and the fact that we have lost a single game is pretty pathetic. If we had any of the Max Hall's teams or John Beck's senior year team we would go undefeated. This schedule was primed for a BCS run. We just couldn't take advantage of it.
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Basically looks like our best opponents to date are Texas and SJSU. And they both suck.
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Cougarbib
superchargedcougar wrote:
SpiffCoug wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


I would say Utah State's loss to Auburn was better than any of the victories by our opponents.


The best win by any of our opponents was when the Utes beat us.



With this schedule we wouldn't have gotten into the NC if we were undefeated, Jake Heaps had thrown for an average of 6 TDs a game and had 0 interceptions, held our opponents to negative rushing yards every game, shutout UCF, USU, SJSU, and OSU, and held our opponents to an average of under 7 points. Our SOS is seriously crappy and the fact that we have lost a single game is pretty pathetic. If we had any of the Max Hall's teams or John Beck's senior year team we would go undefeated. This schedule was primed for a BCS run. We just couldn't take advantage of it.


Maybe / Maybe not we go undefeated with those teams. But, I agree no NC from running this table or any table this year. Too many good teams out there in 2011. - but due to Texas and TCU having off seasons, the stupidity of giving them both a free road game could have been overcome.



And aren't you kind of glad that this year's schedule is not loaded with games against legitimately ranked teams. Unless you enjoy seeing your favorite team get pummelled. BYU only has a handful or less of WINS over teams that ended up ranked in the Top 15 at the end of the season in our entire history. Do you really want to play 2 or 3 of those a year? Nobody has a ton of those wins. That is why those teams are ranked that high. Because they do not lose.



But - here is some data.



Hall 2009 - did squeak past an Okie team that was far from its usual self - kind of like Texas this year. But then he got absolutely creamed by a Florida State team in Provo that just wasn't very good. Then he got creamed by TCU - albeit a very good TCU team. So that team might have run this year's gauntlet - but hardly a guarantee.



Hall 2008 - no big wins. Squeaked by a winless UW team by 1 point on blocked EP kick. Killed a poor UCLA team. Got thumped by a good but not great TCU team in Texas. Kind of like this year, but slightly better TCU. Got killed by an over-rated Utah team. Lost to an Arizona team in the Las Vegas Bowl that we were supposed to beat. So this team would have had a shot. Far from a guarantee.



2007 - After beating a mediocre AZ team in Provo, BYU lost in consecutive weeks to an over-rated UCLA team that was ranked at the time, and then to Tulsa. Yes Tulsa. Then we rolled, but did not beat anyone of note. Schedule. Schedule. Schedule. In fact this is the way we should schedule until we run the table a few times. We have only run it once - 1984 - and that was with a weak schedule. This team would have a shot at going undefeated vs 2011 schedule, but they had a shot and failed in their own year. Certainly a shot and certainly not a lock.



2006 - lost to a very beatable Arizona team. Beat Tulsa. Lost to a very beatable and over-rated #23 Boston College in 2 OT. This is the team that beat #15 TCU at the time, in Fort Worth. Smoked a highly rated Oregon team in The Las Vegas Bowl on a very cold night. I was there. This team would not be a lock either - but this one would have had a really good shot.



Bottom line - see the Absolutely Perfect Indy Schedule thread. It has the 1984 schedule. The only time BYU has ever managed to run the table. That schedule was easier than the 2011 schedule. It really was. We did beat a Pitt ream rated #3 a the time - but that over-rated team went on to win about 3 games that year.



BYU does not need a more ambitious schedule. They really don't.
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Ddawg
profgeek wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


I would say Utah State's loss to Auburn was better than any of the victories by our opponents.


+1. USU's loss was impressive & should have been a win. Sure wish we could play the Yewts now - we are a much improved team.
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vancouvercougar
Ddawg wrote:
SpiffCoug wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


I would say Utah State's loss to Auburn was better than any of the victories by our opponents.


+1. USU's loss was impressive & should have been a win. Sure wish we could play the Yewts now - we are a much improved team.


Just needed one more hit on Wynn early in the game.
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SpiffCoug
vancouvercougar wrote:
profgeek wrote:
Is Utah's win over Pitt the best victory by any of our opponents?


I would say Utah State's loss to Auburn was better than any of the victories by our opponents.


+1. USU's loss was impressive & should have been a win. Sure wish we could play the Yewts now - we are a much improved team.


Just needed one more hit on Wynn early in the game.

So true. I know it might sound weird, but I really thought we were on the verge of blowing out Utah. It was 10-7 and we'd just intercepted Utah. I thought if we would have scored there and gone up 17-7, the Utes were done.



They had no ground game in the first half (13 rushes for 27 yards), Wynn was looking very ineffective (8-15, 97 yards, 1int, 94.32 PER), the crowd was electric. It was all set up for BYU to roll.



Instead we go (from the official play-by-play) false start, 6-yard run by JJ, incomplete to Falslev (QB hurry by Derrick Shelby), incomplete to Jacobson.



We were never in the game after that. Jake was never effective or efficient again. That three-and-out changed the game and season. I really think we were that close to being a very different team.
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