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Final thoughts on BYU and Big XII

by Y12 · 10/13/2011

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birdie702
We will never know until TH opens his mouth. Everything else is just speculation...tired of it. It's time to move on and embrace being indy...for now.
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1967cougar
My final thought. . . it was a fun ride!
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Gunk
birdie702 wrote:
We will never know until TH opens his mouth. Everything else is just speculation...tired of it. It's time to move on and embrace being indy...for now.

BYU generally only speaks when it wants to or when forced to, not necessarily when it should.



Remind me of some of the executives I work with that rather than use today's communication tools to their advantage choose to ignore them. In the end they become victims of the tools they fear.



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Finally some more substanative answers or confirmation. I know it's not "official", but I wanted to know what was going on and Jay Drew gets about the deepest we have been able to get. My only question would be if that article is true, and it is easy to believe that BYU fell out of favor for 1) Sunday play issue; 2) national exposure & 3) the right to broadcast non-covered games; why no official response from BYU. If we're off the table, then dang it, tell the world that those things are that important to the head of the school/Church. We don't seem to beat around the bush about what we believe, so are they affraid to call a spade a spade? What benefit do they get from pissing off a huge segment of fans by being mute on the subject?



Arnett brought up a very insightful thought this week in his newsletter. He noted that he had checked on where the middle of the pack of the Big 12 was as far as having their games televised (realistically understanding that BYU wouldn't be conference champions every year as we were used to in WAC/MWC). What he found was that if your name wasn't Texas or Oklahoma, then you probably had your game televised under the 3rd tier portion of their conference coverage, meaning that your game was sold and picked up locally to the school, but if you lived elsewhere in the US, you could be SOL. I don't know if he studied it out completely to see for certain if their games were at least part of the ESPN additional college football package you could purchase, but under that scenario, if BYUtv wasn't in the picture for BYU, there could possibly be a whole lot of games not available to be seen if you didn't live in Utah. I would believe that is a DANG valid reason.



Maybe BYU has a point and they still feel they can get the independent schedule to improve. Bronco made it plain earlier this week that in studying the situation, it seems obvious to him that the best access to the BCS bowls and NC is only through BCS affilitation, but maybe that's a more tangible brass ring (lobbying the BCS for a Notre Dame type agreement) we can grasp than ever being in a BCS conference if no network is going to want to NEVER have the opportunity to have any conference championships (mainly non-football) on Sundays.



I just want to know why TH and COS think that no communication is the optimum avenue to go in not telling us fans anything. Stand up and be counted. You did it for Brandon Davies, do it now. Maybe they're affraid of burning a bridge with ESPN/ABC.
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Lawboy
Jay Drew article had no teeth.



By the way, 5th place in the Big XII gets Holiday Bowl. ANd plenty of games on TV. I think we could hit that mark.
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Cougarbib
Lawboy wrote:
Jay Drew article had no teeth.



By the way, 5th place in the Big XII gets Holiday Bowl. ANd plenty of games on TV. I think we could hit that mark.




Wouldn't that be a real treat. Don't get me wrong. I voted for Big 12, and I really wanted to se it happen - even though I fear 5th place will be our good years unless we suddenly figure out how to recruit speed and get it to obey the HC.



Independence will just be fine absent armageddon, when we quit scheduling ourselves into oblivion with road games. We could be in a BCS Bowl as often as Boise State was - with smart scheduling. Bottom line - Boise State and TCU scheduling has been a lot smarter than ours. Oh - I forgot Utah. them too. Forgot Hawaii.



But Utah, TCU, and possibly soon Boise State, will have gone on to the next life and left this annual bonanza all to us unless we are too stupid (arrogant) in our scheduling to partake of it.
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birdie702
TH needs to read D&C 60:2 :P
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Cougarbib
birdie702 wrote:
TH needs to read D&C 60:2 :P

Sheesh - you gonna make me look it up?



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ABYUFAN
I think that BYU is playing this whole thing out perfectly. If you have good negotiations...tough negotiations, then you turn around and air the dirty laundry, how willing are other parties going to be to enter into negotiations over sensitive issues in the future? the answer is "not at all" if the Big 12 thing goes the way of all the earth, the WORST thing we can do is to air our side of it and make them look like they are heavy handed because that ends all discussion with them in the future. here we have something that didn't work out, but if we leave as friends, we get to discuss this again. It's all about disagreeing without being disagreeable
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sandiegoblue
ABYUFAN wrote:
I think that BYU is playing this whole thing out perfectly. If you have good negotiations...tough negotiations, then you turn around and air the dirty laundry, how willing are other parties going to be to enter into negotiations over sensitive issues in the future? the answer is "not at all" if the Big 12 thing goes the way of all the earth, the WORST thing we can do is to air our side of it and make them look like they are heavy handed because that ends all discussion with them in the future. here we have something that didn't work out, but if we leave as friends, we get to discuss this again. It's all about disagreeing without being disagreeable


I agree. As fans, we may not like when BYU remains silent. But in business and law, silence can often be used as the biggest power play of all.
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