Bronco wants the BCS!

“@drewjay: More Bronco on #BYU fb future: "If joining a conference would allow us [BCS access] then I would prefer that over independence."”



This is the most refreshing thing i've heard (read) him say in a long time. Although, he did say he supports the administration. Not surprising he wants in, but its surprising he would say it with everything that is going on.



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I say this to Bronco--"Show me one team you've coached that would have won enough games to get into the BCS within the Big XII, and then I'll let you start whining about access."



Sorry Bronco, but you've overpromised and underdelivered--your job is to deliver teams that could earn that BCS access, and we haven't seen one yet, so this idea of BCS access seems a bit premature at this point. Even June Jones has a better position to ask for this than Bronco.

snoscythe wrote:
I say this to Bronco--"Show me one team you've coached that would have won enough games to get into the BCS within the Big XII, and then I'll let you start whining about access."



Sorry Bronco, but you've overpromised and underdelivered--your job is to deliver teams that could earn that BCS access, and we haven't seen one yet, so this idea of BCS access seems a bit premature at this point. Even June Jones has a better position to ask for this than Bronco.

??? I thought his job was to organize firesides...



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snoscythe wrote:
I say this to Bronco--"Show me one team you've coached that would have won enough games to get into the BCS within the Big XII, and then I'll let you start whining about access."



Sorry Bronco, but you've overpromised and underdelivered--your job is to deliver teams that could earn that BCS access, and we haven't seen one yet, so this idea of BCS access seems a bit premature at this point. Even June Jones has a better position to ask for this than Bronco.

See, thats the thing about being in a conference with auto-bids-It isn't about the number of games you win, its just about winning your conference. BYU's done that several times in Bronco's tenure. Of course, the MWC != Big 12, but you can be sure that some of those teams could have competed.



But the real point is, OF COURSE BRONCO IS GOING TO WANT TO BE IN A BCS CONFERENCE! Would you really rather have him say, "Well, I think we need to lock ourselves out until we can win more games as an independent..."

I think he needs to put football as 4th, and get on it then. BYUs only going to get less and less competitive, strike quickly man. Our schedule is getting tougher.

There were probably several years under Bronco where BYU would have won the Big XII North and played in the championship game. I would put our odds at decent to win the game (Bronco's good teams have been VERY good by the end of the year), but even if we lost, we still very well could have been the second team from the conference into a BCS bowl, especially since the BCS title game has often been Big XII vs SEC.

Schmoe wrote:
There were probably several years under Bronco where BYU would have won the Big XII North and played in the championship game. I would put our odds at decent to win the game (Bronco's good teams have been VERY good by the end of the year), but even if we lost, we still very well could have been the second team from the conference into a BCS bowl, especially since the BCS title game has often been Big XII vs SEC.

I'd be interested to hear which season you think BYU would have won the North, and how you think BYU's record would have been good enough to get a BCS at-large bid as a Big XII Championship Game loser from the North division--I know that no Big XII North team has made it into the BCS as an at-large (i.e. after losing in the Championship to a South team) during Bronco's tenure at BYU, and I don't think it even happened before Bronco's tenure. Not only would a Bronco coached team have to win that North division, but they'd have to win the Big XII Championship or somehow be more attractive than the #2 Big XII team from the South, and I definitely don't see BYU getting to that point under Bronco.



Bronco has had some 10 win seasons, but in those 10 win seasons he tended to go .500 against better than average opposition. He "finished strong," not because the team was getting better, but because he finished by playing his last 8 games against MWC teams, and his losses tended to come early against the mid- to low-level BCS teams.



I'm sorry, but I see little if anything in Bronco's tenure to make me think he could have taken BYU to a BCS game in the last 6 years if BYU has simply been in the Big XII at the time.

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I'd be interested to hear which season you think BYU would have won the North, and how you think BYU's record would have been good enough to get a BCS at-large bid as a Big XII Championship Game loser from the North division--I know that no Big XII North team has made it into the BCS as an at-large (i.e. after losing in the Championship to a South team) during Bronco's tenure at BYU, and I don't think it even happened before Bronco's

Nebraska played in the nc game as an at large. But I see your point about bronco. As ive said before, bronco is byu's Ron mcbride. Raise the program from the dead but not good enough to take it to the elite level. Byu needs to find it's urban Meyer...but one that will stick around for a decade or so.



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I'd be interested to hear which season you think BYU would have won the North, and how you think BYU's record would have been good enough to get a BCS at-large bid as a Big XII Championship Game loser from the North division--I know that no Big XII North team has made it into the BCS as an at-large (i.e. after losing in the Championship to a South team) during Bronco's tenure at BYU, and I don't think it even happened before Bronco's

Nebraska played in the nc game as an at large. But I see your point about bronco. As ive said before, bronco is byu's Ron mcbride. Raise the program from the dead but not good enough to take it to the elite level. Byu needs to find it's urban Meyer...but one that will stick around for a decade or so.



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Nebraska was not an at-large in 2002---they got the BigXII auto-bid despite not playing in the Big XII championship.



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snoscythe wrote:

There were probably several years under Bronco where BYU would have won the Big XII North and played in the championship game. I would put our odds at decent to win the game (Bronco's good teams have been VERY good by the end of the year), but even if we lost, we still very well could have been the second team from the conference into a BCS bowl, especially since the BCS title game has often been Big XII vs SEC.

I'd be interested to hear which season you think BYU would have won the North, and how you think BYU's record would have been good enough to get a BCS at-large bid as a Big XII Championship Game loser from the North division--I know that no Big XII North team has made it into the BCS as an at-large (i.e. after losing in the Championship to a South team) during Bronco's tenure at BYU, and I don't think it even happened before Bronco's tenure. Not only would a Bronco coached team have to win that North division, but they'd have to win the Big XII Championship or somehow be more attractive than the #2 Big XII team from the South, and I definitely don't see BYU getting to that point under Bronco.



Bronco has had some 10 win seasons, but in those 10 win seasons he tended to go .500 against better than average opposition. He "finished strong," not because the team was getting better, but because he finished by playing his last 8 games against MWC teams, and his losses tended to come early against the mid- to low-level BCS teams.



I'm sorry, but I see little if anything in Bronco's tenure to make me think he could have taken BYU to a BCS game in the last 6 years if BYU has simply been in the Big XII at the time.

Probably true unless we got some good fortune like when we kicked the crap out of Oregon to everyone's surprise. But exactly what Lavell Edwards team do you think could have won the Big 12? Lavell rarely beat anyone of note. MIami. I know. there are a few others over 30 years. Never several in the same season. Never.

Cougarbib2 wrote:
Exactly what Lavell Edwards team do you think could have won the Big 12? Lavell rarely beat anyone of note. MIami. I know. there are a few others over 30 years. Never several in the same season. Never.

The only ones I can think of are possibly 83, 84, 90, and 96. My point is, BYU is not a Texas, Nebraska, or Oklahoma. I don't think we're even an OSU, A&M, or Texas Tech. At best, I think BYU in the Big XII is a Kansas, Kansas State. Occaisional relevancy every few years, but otherwise generally a doormat in conference play.

crh55 wrote:
“@drewjay: More Bronco on #BYU fb future: "If joining a conference would allow us [BCS access] then I would prefer that over independence."”



This is the most refreshing thing i've heard (read) him say in a long time. Although, he did say he supports the administration. Not surprising he wants in, but its surprising he would say it with everything that is going on.



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Now that I've read all the quotes Jay Drew provided, you have misrepresented pretty badly what Bronco intended. Bronco first said his big concern was access to the BCS games--whether it be as an independent or in a BCS conference, he doesn't care. The quote you provided was in response to the follow-up question--"What would you prefer: being in a BCS conference, or being an independent without BCS access?"



Other quotes from Bronco make his position more moderate than what the lone quote you provided without the precedent question might indicate. When asked what he would think if he found out BYU had and invite but turned it down: "I would be supportive of whatever they chose. Because like many people that come into my office, they come in with an agenda with one perspective that doesn't account for a lot of other things. And I am sure from my view as a football coach, I don't see everything that an athletic director or president sees as well. I trust them, and I think they would make a wise decision. But I would give that input."



Bronco doesn't want to be in the BigXII--he just wants BCS access anyway he can get it, but he also trusts that there is more to the equation than just that consideration.

He also stated in that interview that BCS access as an independent would be the most preferred.



I'm with Sno on this one, BYU is at best a flash-in-the-pan, once-in-a-decade team in the Big XII. Most likely an also-ran most years. I just don't think that BYU opens up in recruiting as much as a place like Utah will where the honor code isn't an issue. BYU will continue to recruit the same kind of kid and occasionally land a Kyle Van Noy with sweet skills.

Isn't it great... When we're awesome -- we can conqour the world!



BUT



When we're down. We're just a "flash in the pan".



Sorry to rain on your parade, but snap out of it guys! Every team in this country has their down years. Where was Texas and OU last year? Where is Florida at? How about USC?



These guys owned college football for years. We all want to be like them? Well guess what... We are very similar to them all.



Not only are we similar to them, we have over produced with our walk on's and 2 stars compared to their 3rd stringers being 4 star recruits.



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BigCougsFan wrote:
Isn't it great... When we're awesome -- we can conqour the world!



BUT



When we're down. We're just a "flash in the pan".



Sorry to rain on your parade, but snap out of it guys! Every team in this country has their down years. Where was Texas and OU last year? Where is Florida at? How about USC?



These guys owned college football for years. We all want to be like them? Well guess what... We are very similar to them all.



Not only are we similar to them, we have over produced with our walk on's and 2 stars compared to their 3rd stringers being 4 star recruits.



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The point is, that we don't have four and five star recruits starting, let alone on the second, third, and fourth strings like the powers you mentioned. One injury to a key player and our ability to win goes down drastically. BYU lacks the depth to compete against four or five power teams a year. We can take maybe two or three--counting a BCS game, which is how we should schedule. I'd live with 10-2 and an occasional 13-0 season every year, rather than mire in mediocrity in a BCS conference. But that is just my opinion.



I don't mind playing and beating teams that aren't great because I am realistic about what BYU is--a good team with great kids rather than a great team with "character issues." This good team will blow out bad teams, will have close games with average to good teams teams, and will occasionally, but certainly not consistently, shock a great team. I'm OK with that as a fan. If you don't like that about BYU, I'm not telling you how you have to feel about them. But you are going to be pretty disappointed if you expect more.

So Bronco wants the BCS. He also says he has significant influence. Are those positive comments for the Big 12 situtation?

SpiffCoug wrote:
So Bronco wants the BCS. He also says he has significant influence. Are those positive comments for the Big 12 situtation?

I read his comments to mean that he'll give his $.02 but that it's not his decision to make. But that he trusts the decision makers to do what's best. He seemed like he was on the outside looking in more than trying to drive the process towards the BCS.



The fact that he said anything about the BCS makes me hopeful that he at least thinks it's still a possibility to go to an AQ conference. We'll see.

NEWS FLASH!! We all want the BCS.



As much as I've anguished over the Big 12 tweets & posts--longing for inclusion, I'd rather be indepenent and win 9 to 11 games a year than pull a :utard: and win a couple of Pac12 games a year.



If a 1 loss BYU could be assured of a BCS bowl, I'd be cool with staying independent.

Not all of us, some of us want the BCS to die.