Smart gun laws

[hawkwing]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

[BoiseBYU]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

Mea culpa.

[Mars]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

You just say that because you're a public school loving socialist!!

[jvquarterback]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

You just say that because you're a public school loving socialist!!

It was because he could give no evidence that new gun control laws would make kids safer than shuttering all government schools.

[BoiseBYU]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

You just say that because you're a public school loving socialist!!

It was because he could give no evidence that new gun control laws would make kids safer than shuttering all government schools.

Shuttering all government schools and keeping kids out would, by definition, be safer because there would be no kids in them to be kept safe. Moving the goal posts like that do not help. Also, no one is suggesting that gun control laws are the sine qua non of protecting lives. The argument, instead, is that they are an important piece in the puzzle. Isolating and focusing on gun control exclusively to argue that new such laws alone will not improve safety is again trying to win the argument by definition.

[jvquarterback]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

You just say that because you're a public school loving socialist!!

It was because he could give no evidence that new gun control laws would make kids safer than shuttering all government schools.

Shuttering all government schools and keeping kids out would, by definition, be safer because there would be no kids in them to be kept safe. Moving the goal posts like that do not help. Also, no one is suggesting that gun control laws are the sine qua non of protecting lives. The argument, instead, is that they are an important piece in the puzzle. Isolating and focusing on gun control exclusively to argue that new such laws alone will not improve safety is again trying to win the argument by definition.

What gun control laws have ever made kids safer at schools? The data aren't there.

People get all emotional over this stuff and that's fine - maybe even a good thing. What isn't a good thing is when they make decisions without any basis in evidence. You were right when you said you don't want to debate. If you did you'd have to bring a fact or two to this forum.

[BoiseBYU]

This thread has gone pretty far off-topic.

You just say that because you're a public school loving socialist!!

It was because he could give no evidence that new gun control laws would make kids safer than shuttering all government schools.

Shuttering all government schools and keeping kids out would, by definition, be safer because there would be no kids in them to be kept safe. Moving the goal posts like that do not help. Also, no one is suggesting that gun control laws are the sine qua non of protecting lives. The argument, instead, is that they are an important piece in the puzzle. Isolating and focusing on gun control exclusively to argue that new such laws alone will not improve safety is again trying to win the argument by definition.

What gun control laws have ever made kids safer at schools? The data aren't there.

People get all emotional over this stuff and that's fine - maybe even a good thing. What isn't a good thing is when they make decisions without any basis in evidence. You were right when you said you don't want to debate. If you did you'd have to bring a fact or two to this forum.

Debating you would do no good. I might aw well talk to a brick wall. You do not respond to what people actually say or ask. It is a fool's errand. It is too exhausting dealing with strawman arguments all day. You are good at that, I will grant you. But it makes for horrible discussions.

[jvquarterback]

Dude. I doubt you even know what a straw man argument is but the whole point of my saying shuttering government schools is a better option than gun control was to show how unsupported by fact the gun control argument is.

Someone asked about real things that can be done to help kids be safer at schools. Here you go:

1. Make the school financially responsible for injury that occurs at the school. Schools in turn will carry insurance against injury to students and the insurance companies will tell them how to best minimize risk.

2. This is really a subset of the first idea because insurance companies will discounts rates when schools hire private security who are interested in security rather than law enforcement. The school could have hired four private guards for the cost of one sheriff's deputy. Rather than focus on going after kids with alcohol, cigarettes, and pot (their parents should be doing that), the guards would have provided actual security.

Those two free market measures will make kids safer at schools. Gun control measures will not.

Of course an even better solution is to have a loving father in every home but with all the social programs and abortion on demand liberating women (and their children) from men that's as likely to happen as abolishing government schools - yet another reason the free market keeps us safer than the government ever will.

[snoscythe]

jvqb -- honest question: In a debate online, have you ever had the other person concede?

Because the way you go about "debate" is just absolutely terrible. You got to find a better way of delivering your message.

[hawkwing]

jvqb -- honest question: In a debate online, have you ever had the other person concede?

Because the way you go about "debate" is just absolutely terrible. You got to find a better way of delivering your message.

He did convince me not to become a Libertarian.

I was strongly leaning that way until he shared many of his views on how Libertarians think.