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[jonnylingo]

I know most of you hate cougarboard but this guy saved a post made by a texas fan regarding byu and utah and their programs. its worth a read and really hurts. i am tempted to send this to all of my annoying ute fan friends.

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/mes ... id=5692646

I've seen the past couple of days that the ute trolls are feeling frisky. I am old and not feeling frisky any longer, so I don't have the desire to do battle with them (plus, with them leaving my school's conference, they are now irrelevant to my team's future, so who cares about them any longer? ), but I do see some BYU posters doing battle.

To those of you who are feeling the call to do battle, I thought I would repost the nuclear bomb of utah ute smack posts. I did not write this, and it is too immense to be used in regular, regional, flame wars; but someday, when total war has broken out, and you have been pushed to your limit, this may come in handy. Something along the lines of "yea, we are stuck in the crappy MWC, but at least we aren't this pathetic". I saved this from the texas board (of all places) in case I needed it some day, but I now realize I did not save it for myself, but for some of you.

Use this power wisely. If it is used too often, it will desensitize the trolls to its immense impact.


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Wow, I kind of feel bad for these ute fans. Why are they posting here again? Good question. They want to talk facts? Yes, let's talk facts.

Only two Division I-A programs have managed to reach 10+ wins in football and manage to reach the NCAA tournament in basketball 4 consecutive years. Those two programs? BYU and Texas.

Now with regards to these Ute fans and their delusions, I will compare.

BYU has as many top 15 finishes in the last 4 years (3 of them) as Utah does in the ENTIRE 100+ year history of the program. Ouch.

Utah has 6 top 25 finishes in the entire 100+ year history of the program (that's two more than BYU has had in the last 4 years). BYU's also had 17 top 25 finishes since 1977 (or better than 50% of the time does BYU finished ranked...including finishing ranked the last 4 years consecutively).

Utah has five ten+ win seasons in the history of program. BYU has had 4 consecutive ten win seasons...and 16 of them since 1979. Ouch.

BYU has more 11+ win seasons in the last 4 years (3 of them) then Utah has had in over 100+ years (two total in 100+ years of playing football for the Utah program).

Utah has three outright conference titles since 1957 (BYU has two in the last 4 years). BYU has 22 conference championships since 1976.

Utah has finished ahead of BYU in the conference standings just one time in the last 5 years in football (and just five times total in the last 40 years). BYU has finished ahead of Utah outright 4 times in the last 5 years and over 30 times in the last 40 years. Ouch.

In the last 5 years, Utah has finished in the MWC conference as follows: 6th, 4th, 3rd, 1st, 3rd. BYU has finished as follows; 2nd, 1st, 1st, 3rd, 2nd.

The overall series all-time is 50-31-4 (not 58-28 as a ute fan proclaimed above). However, BYU has won 3 of the last 4 and 29 of the last 41 in this series. Utter domination. Utah fans have to look to their great grandaddies to find someone that remembers an era where Utah was better than BYU. Pretty sad. Simply put, very few "rivalries" has been as lopsided as this one (in BYU's favor, I might add) in the last 40 years. If one team is winning 75% of the time, then who is this a "rivalry" to anyways?

Now onto bowl records........Utah fans talk about their "12-3" bowl record. But, remember, nine of these 15 bowl games have occurred since 1999. Utah only started to qualify for bowls when the bowl season become so watered down that any 6 win team would qualify. Prior to the late 90's you actually had to be GOOD to make a bowl game. Not so much anymore. As a result, the vast majority of these "bowl wins" have come against second tier opponents. Since 1995, Utah has played two bowl opponents that managed to finish with a winning record and rank in the final Sagarin top 40. One of those teams destroyed Utah 38-10. The other was Alabama. Since 1999, here is the list of the teams Utah has played in bowl games: WAC Fresno State, 6 win USC, C-USA Southern Miss, 7 win Pittsburgh, 7 win Georgia Tech, C-USA Tulsa, Navy, Alabama and Pac-10 6th place Cal. That is not murder's row. In fact, other than Alabama, that bowl resume is TERRIBLE. What credit should Utah deserve for beating Navy or Tulsa or Fresno State or Southern Miss when they were getting blasted in the regular season by the likes of New Mexico, UNLV, Wyoming, or Colorado State? Bad, bad, bad.

More evidence of Utah's ineptitude: Utah has not beaten a major conference team on the road that finished with a winning record in nearly a generation. Utah has just one victory in the last 15 years against a non-league opponent that was ranked the day they played and who also FINISHED ranked in both polls (non-inspired Alabama team). And to cap it off......Utah has ONE victory in over 100 years of playing football against a major conference team that finished with less than 4 losses. One. That's it.

As you can see, Utah has been historically (or at least in the last 50-60 years) one of the worst Division I program in college football. Very few programs boast such few accomplishments (virtually never finishing ranked, virtually never winning a league title, nor beating anyone of consequence).
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As for BYU, included in all many great BYU seasons above (a plethora of ranked seasons, bowl games, and 10+ win seasons) is included the following: A national championship, a Heisman trophy winner, 2 Outland trophy winners, several Davey O'Brien winners, several top 5 Heisman voting finishes, and a Doalk Walker winner. BYU has also had many consensus All-Americans. BYU has multiple QB's go onto the NFL and be starters on prominent Super Bowl winning teams (such as Jim McMahon with the '85 Bears and Steve Young with the '95 49ers). In fact, Steve is still the highest rated passer in NFL history. Utah's claim to NFL fame? Alex Smith! LOL. Pathetic.


In addition to all the above, we know that BYU has vastly superior facilities, vastly higher attendance at games (both home and away), and brings in a much wider viewing audience.

There is no comparing these two programs in any way. I guess for Utah fans, their entire history revolves around 3 months in 2004 and 3 months in 2008. If it didn't occur in those small windows then it is an ugly blemish that must be forgotten. Unfortunately, they can hide from their past. It's bad.



As for basketball, you've all seen the numbers. BYU blows Utah away in attendance and ratings here, as well. Utah likes to talk about their nice, little basketball program. But, what is it? It's a program that's had 4 losing seasons (in MWC play) in the last 5 years. It's a program that has played in a grand total of ONE NCAA game in the last half decade (getting abused and tossed to the side by a 12 seed in that one game). And a program that historically is vastly overrated (two elite 8 appearances in the last 40 years) in addition to its last half decade of futility. Utah also has just one outright MWC title in is entire basketball history. Ouch.

BYU, meanwhile, hasn't finished behind Utah in the league standings in hoops in 5 years. BYU's been in 4 straight NCAA tournaments...and battled Kansas State tough in the round of 32 this past spring after spending most of the season ranked. BYU has beaten Utah 7 of the last 8 meetings in hoops...and BYU's won 3 of the last 4 MWC crowns.


Now that we've exposed these clowns for who they are (that's a program with an intense little brother syndrome......similar to A&M to Texas). Economically, competitively, fan following. Any way you cut, BYU wins here. And wins by a large margin.

[1967cougar]

Thank you, Mr. Lingo, for making my day not only bright, but brilliant!!

[Mingjai]

The way I explain it to people here in the Midwest is--

BYU = Notre Dame
Utah = Purdue
Utah State = Indiana

[BoiseBYU]

The way I explain it to people here in the Midwest is--

BYU = Notre Dame
Utah = Purdue
Utah State = Indiana

You do BYU an injustice!

[redneckjedi]

The way I explain it to people here in the Midwest is--

BYU = Notre Dame
Utah = Purdue
Utah State = Indiana

You do BYU an injustice!

I think if you added Gary Crowton = Ty Willingham/Charlie Weis, it would be more accurate and less unjust.

[CougarClaw]

Great read.

I don't think all of his numbers are right and a Ute Statician could probably make the comparison much more balanced but it always puts things into perspective when you add "in the last hundred years" to any comparison..

and he also conveniently leaves out the fact that Utah is tied for the most non-bcs, bcs wins -- and you might argue their NFL success recently has been better than ours with Ngata, weddle, and at least alex Smith is playing, sucking, but playing. hmm. but we have collie out there now...so, maybe its even.

[Isola]

and you might argue their NFL success recently has been better than ours with Ngata, weddle, and at least alex Smith is playing, sucking, but playing. hmm. but we have collie out there now...so, maybe its even.

Haloti Ngata may have backed out on his BYU commitment, but he didn't dump the Cougars for the Utes. He went to Oregon.

They have had some good NFL players though.

[CannonCougar85]

And you might argue their NFL success recently has been better than ours with Ngata, weddle, and at least alex Smith is playing, sucking, but playing. hmm. but we have collie out there now...so, maybe its even.

Collie had more success in his rookie season then Alex Smith has had in his entire career.

Don't forget BYU boys Brady Poppinga with the Packers, Naufahu Tahi with the Vikings and Chris Hoke and Brett Keissel with the Steelers who all play significant minutes for their respective playoff teams.

[akammerman]

I love the arguments, but there is one major flawed assumption here: That a Ute fan understands logic or reason. I stand by my assertion I've been making for 13+ years in Utah: There are few true Ute fans, only BYU-haters who find some sort of belonging in red shirts with fellow haters.