Re: United Utah Party
Posted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:02 am
In a country where both main parties are failures, this idea can't hurt.
I agree with a simpler tax system, fair share be paid by all regardless of wealth. Reducing negative effects should be for everyone not just who they think are working class.snoscythe wrote:Here is the platform in its entirety:
But, assuming they get their party off the ground, expect it to be heavily amended/revised in the first few yearsUnited Utah wrote:Faith
Protecting the role of religious belief in public life as well as the constitutional right to free exercise of religious expression for all.
Government Reform
Promoting government reform that furthers greater responsiveness, accountability, and transparency. This includes greater transparency of proposed bills, open legislative caucus meetings, ethics reform, open primary elections, term limits, campaign finance limits, more non-partisan elections, and independent redistricting.
Education
Supporting increased funding for and reform of public education as a vehicle for creating good citizens, preparing Utahns for the future, and improving the economic prospects of all Utah citizens. Favoring significant education funding increases along with accountability from Utah’s education system for its role in educating Utah’s future generations.
Immigration
Endorsing federal action that creates an immigration system that respects the sanctity and dignity of families while enforcing the law.
Taxes and Regulations
Supporting a simpler tax system that minimizes loopholes, reduces negative effects on working class families, and demands a fair share be paid by all regardless of wealth. This also includes instituting a regular review of government regulations to assess their continued value in a changing society.
Economic Growth
Preserving the free market system as the engine for future economic growth. However, such economic growth must “raise all boats” and therefore public policy must promote economic opportunity for all, regardless of social and economic class.
Environmental Stewardship
Advocating the importance of human stewardship over Utah’s environment that conserves natural resources, promotes renewable energy, and leads to clean air and water to sustain and improve human life.
The Second Amendment
Endorsing the right of Utahns to possess firearms, as well as regulations that limit firearm possession in the hands of those who would use them irresponsibly.
Family
Supporting the family as the traditional unit of society and upholding the sanctity of human life that includes opposition to abortion except in cases such as the life of the mother or serious damage to the health of the mother, fatal fetal deformities, rape, or incest.
I don't think I like how a lot of this is worded. Seems to easy to sucker people into things. For example, Taxes - what do they mean by ?fair share"? Right now to Libs it means the rich (but not liberal rich) need to pay 90% or more and the poor (at least those that vote democrat) should pay nothing but actually get a tax refund even it they paid no taxes.snoscythe wrote:Here is the platform in its entirety:
But, assuming they get their party off the ground, expect it to be heavily amended/revised in the first few yearsUnited Utah wrote:Faith
Protecting the role of religious belief in public life as well as the constitutional right to free exercise of religious expression for all.
Government Reform
Promoting government reform that furthers greater responsiveness, accountability, and transparency. This includes greater transparency of proposed bills, open legislative caucus meetings, ethics reform, open primary elections, term limits, campaign finance limits, more non-partisan elections, and independent redistricting.
Education
Supporting increased funding for and reform of public education as a vehicle for creating good citizens, preparing Utahns for the future, and improving the economic prospects of all Utah citizens. Favoring significant education funding increases along with accountability from Utah’s education system for its role in educating Utah’s future generations.
Immigration
Endorsing federal action that creates an immigration system that respects the sanctity and dignity of families while enforcing the law.
Taxes and Regulations
Supporting a simpler tax system that minimizes loopholes, reduces negative effects on working class families, and demands a fair share be paid by all regardless of wealth. This also includes instituting a regular review of government regulations to assess their continued value in a changing society.
Economic Growth
Preserving the free market system as the engine for future economic growth. However, such economic growth must “raise all boats” and therefore public policy must promote economic opportunity for all, regardless of social and economic class.
Environmental Stewardship
Advocating the importance of human stewardship over Utah’s environment that conserves natural resources, promotes renewable energy, and leads to clean air and water to sustain and improve human life.
The Second Amendment
Endorsing the right of Utahns to possess firearms, as well as regulations that limit firearm possession in the hands of those who would use them irresponsibly.
Family
Supporting the family as the traditional unit of society and upholding the sanctity of human life that includes opposition to abortion except in cases such as the life of the mother or serious damage to the health of the mother, fatal fetal deformities, rape, or incest.
It's because the United Utah Party is primarily put together by disgruntled ex-democrats. The cloak their beliefs with ideas like "preserving the free market" as the engine to raise all boats, and promoting economic opportunity for all. We have that now - thought the actual achieving of economic success is a genuine challenge. It's veiled heavy handed government intervention and control = socialism. Its the way this social justice works. Say all the nice fuzzy buzz words and expand the "borg." It all leads to a more invasive government that's like the universe - always expanding.Brayden Green wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:06 am I haven't found something better than the libertarian party for my beliefs. I personally want government so small it can fit in a box.
Just based on their platform that Sno shares, it seems like they want some interesting controls of free market regulations and restrictions.
I'm strictly against equality of outcome, and anyone pushing for that is evil in my mind. This feels like it comes from that kind of camp with language like "education for all" and paying "fair shares".
I got that feeling too. I don't want anyone in the room to have the power of a gun over me. I don't care what your party name is if you point a gun at me, I'm not signing up for you.Ddawg wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 12:20 pmIt's because the United Utah Party is primarily put together by disgruntled ex-democrats. The cloak their beliefs with ideas like "preserving the free market" as the engine to raise all boats, and promoting economic opportunity for all. We have that now - thought the actual achieving of economic success is a genuine challenge. It's veiled heavy handed government intervention and control = socialism. Its the way this social justice works. Say all the nice fuzzy buzz words and expand the "borg." It all leads to a more invasive government that's like the universe - always expanding.Brayden Green wrote: ↑Sun Nov 26, 2017 11:06 am I haven't found something better than the libertarian party for my beliefs. I personally want government so small it can fit in a box.
Just based on their platform that Sno shares, it seems like they want some interesting controls of free market regulations and restrictions.
I'm strictly against equality of outcome, and anyone pushing for that is evil in my mind. This feels like it comes from that kind of camp with language like "education for all" and paying "fair shares".