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CougarCorner • And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?
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And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 9:58 am
by Cougarfan87
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/gary- ... le/2598088

Seriously, one of my main turn offs on Trump and Hillary is my sincere doubt that either would support the religious freedom of Mormons. Now this.

Constitutional party, anyone?

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:02 am
by hawkwing
Yeah, I'm not a fan of Johnson because many of his positions lean extremely far left and he's very bigoted against religion.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:05 am
by Schmoe
Yep, I've been seeing lots of hypocrisy from people who say "Don't vote for the two most popular candidates, because they're bad, but vote for the third most popular candidate, even though he's not very good, because he's the next most popular."

I'm going to write in Mitt Romney or Ted Cruz. I've looked into candidates from the Constitution Party, the Veteran's Party, etc. and haven't found a single one that I would feel confident and happy casting my vote for.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 10:41 am
by hawkwing
Schmoe wrote:Yep, I've been seeing lots of hypocrisy from people who say "Don't vote for the two most popular candidates, because they're bad, but vote for the third most popular candidate, even though he's not very good, because he's the next most popular."

I'm going to write in Mitt Romney or Ted Cruz. I've looked into candidates from the Constitution Party, the Veteran's Party, etc. and haven't found a single one that I would feel confident and happy casting my vote for.
I plan on voting for the person who I feel would make the best President of the United States.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:18 am
by snoscythe
So he uses Mormons as a hypothetical example of how religious freedom is not an absolute trump card, and he loses the Mormon vote?
Why shouldn't somebody be able to shoot somebody else because their freedom of religion says that God has spoken to them and that they can shoot somebody dead
Especially when the context of the quote indicates he misspoke and was talking about Muslims, not Mormons. He prefaces that line with "Back to Mormonism" ... and he's never mentioned Mormons once, but has mentioned Muslims twice prior.

That's some pretty thin skin if that line makes you change your mind.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:29 am
by jvquarterback
Johnson is trying to escape an issue that Ron Paul got burned on by the media. Paul was asked if he'd vote for the 1964 civil rights act. He said no because it prevents a private individual from excluding people from their property (if they own a business).

Allowing someone to discriminate based on their religious (or whatever other) beliefs isn't very popular. It is the right thing to do but Johnson is just being a politician trying to get as many votes as possible. He's wrong on this and abortion, similar to the way Romney was wrong on multiple issues.

Johnson seems like an honest guy and will be the best candidate on my ballot (Darrel Castle probably won't be an option).

Just an FYI, a write in vote is not a vote, it's an abstention. You're voting for electors (who's names you probably won't see on the ballot), not the president. If the person's name isn't on the ballot that means they haven't selected a list of electors to the state so you aren't voting for anyone.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:34 am
by Schmoe
jvquarterback wrote:Johnson is trying to escape an issue that Ron Paul got burned on by the media. Paul was asked if he'd vote for the 1964 civil rights act. He said no because it prevents a private individual from excluding people from their property (if they own a business).

Allowing someone to discriminate based on their religious (or whatever other) beliefs isn't very popular. It is the right thing to do but Johnson is just being a politician trying to get as many votes as possible. He's wrong on this and abortion, similar to the way Romney was wrong on multiple issues.

Johnson seems like an honest guy and will be the best candidate on my ballot (Darrel Castle probably won't be an option).

Just an FYI, a write in vote is not a vote, it's an abstention. You're voting for electors (who's names you probably won't see on the ballot), not the president. If the person's name isn't on the ballot that means they haven't selected a list of electors to the state so you aren't voting for anyone.
If my vote is going to be a throwaway on a third-party candidate anyway, I'm going to vote for whom I think will make the best president and not be limited to the list that other people have chosen.

Johnson supports killing children and other things that I don't agree with. I don't care that he's sincere about his support of killing children and other things I disagree with.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 11:39 am
by hawkwing
From the interviews I've read Johnson seems like a strangely strong supporter of Hillary Clinton.

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:11 pm
by BlueK
hawkwing wrote:From the interviews I've read Johnson seems like a strangely strong supporter of Hillary Clinton.
What?

Re: And Gary Johnson Just Lost My Vote...Crap. Now What?

Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 1:12 pm
by BlueK
Thursday afternoon, Gary Johnson and running mate Bill Weld confirmed that they’d spoken with Mitt Romney and that “he’s considering an endorsement.”

For Mitt Romney, it’s likely a matter of considering whether he’ll ultimately lose long-term clout within the Republican Party by supporting a libertarian candidate, or whether it’s worth completely ending his relationship with the party now helmed by Donald Trump.

https://heatst.com/politics/is-romney-g ... p-in-utah/