BYU - Utah Game Thread

[TheDean]

Tanner played pretty poorly this game.

No Tanner actually played well it was the O-line that played terrible along with the WRs who on the last drive of the game dropped 2 balls that were right in the breadbasket and which would have resulted in a first down. Tanner Can't do his job when the O-line is as porous as it was tonight. 5 or 6 times Utah ran the outside blitz and no one could be bothered to pick it up and on at 3 of them the guy that could of picked up shifted away from the blitz. Detmer's offense works just fine when the O-line protecting the QB and are run blocking well as was shown in BYU's last scoring drive and in the scoring drive in the first half in which the TD was called back on a bogus penalty.

Cahoon is a joke. Guy needs to be fired ASAP and Detmer needs to be put on the hot seat. Absolutely pathetic and the Holmoe has the audacity to charge $100/ticket like we're some BCS school.

BYU fans no longer expect or even think we'll beat Utah. Students have come to BYU, gone on missions, and have graduated without ever seeing BYU beat Utah. It's not much of a rivalry if your hope going into the game is that it isn't a blowout.

I agree Cahoon and Weber the O-line coach needs to go as they are both terrible. BYU will never beat Utah until they start playing smart football and when it comes to Utah, BYU just doesn't play smart football for some reason.

The funny thing is if that TD in the first half that was called back on a bogus penalty had not been called BYU would have won the game by 1.

[cougarapologist]

Agree we have a coaching problem, but who do you go and get? We don't pay coaches like a P5 program, and you don't see BYU coaches using the program to jump up to the next level. Either you go young and let it develop, or go with a retread, or let Detmer learn on the job, I guess. Depressing.

[frdbtr]

Tanner played pretty poorly this game.

No Tanner actually played well it was the O-line that played terrible along with the WRs who on the last drive of the game dropped 2 balls that were right in the breadbasket and which would have resulted in a first down. Tanner Can't do his job when the O-line is as porous as it was tonight. 5 or 6 times Utah ran the outside blitz and no one could be bothered to pick it up and on at 3 of them the guy that could of picked up shifted away from the blitz. Detmer's offense works just fine when the O-line protecting the QB and are run blocking well as was shown in BYU's last scoring drive and in the scoring drive in the first half in which the TD was called back on a bogus penalty.

Cahoon is a joke. Guy needs to be fired ASAP and Detmer needs to be put on the hot seat. Absolutely pathetic and the Holmoe has the audacity to charge $100/ticket like we're some BCS school.

BYU fans no longer expect or even think we'll beat Utah. Students have come to BYU, gone on missions, and have graduated without ever seeing BYU beat Utah. It's not much of a rivalry if your hope going into the game is that it isn't a blowout.

I agree Cahoon and Weber the O-line coach needs to go as they are both terrible. BYU will never beat Utah until they start playing smart football and when it comes to Utah, BYU just doesn't play smart football for some reason.

The funny thing is if that TD in the first half that was called back on a bogus penalty BYU would have won the game by 1.

The penalty was totally legit. Hifo blocked right into the receiver. The biggest issue, was he could have just let the guy go and ran his route and BYU scores anyway. It was completely unnecessary.

[frdbtr]

Agree we have a coaching problem, but who do you go and get? We don't pay coaches like a P5 program, and you don't see BYU coaches using the program to jump up to the next level. Either you go young and let it develop, or go with a retread, or let Detmer learn on the job, I guess. Depressing.

Not sure about the Oline but receivers would be easy. Roderick was on the sideline of the game. Eric Drage has applied for the receivers position multiple times. Just get someone who will teach the receivers to bring the physicality to the db's instead of look afraid of contact. Maybe Beg Holladay back.

[TheDean]

2 dropped balls. Anyone still saying this is Tanners fault?

C'mon Man.. you're looking at the last drive only. Mangum was AWFUL the entire fist half and only semi decent the second half. He was good the last two drives. The bulk of this game you CAN look to Mangum.
He did turn it up at the end but it was too little too late

I disagree. While he was most certainly not perfect, there were missed plays by the receivers all game long. QB's only throw to guys they trust. He was trying to force things to guys he could trust. If BYU had a group of prototype physical BYU receivers from the 80's or 90's we would have had a better chance in this game. If BYU had the Oline from 96, 01 or 06, along with said receivers from the 80's and 90's we would have blown this team out.

So what... our recruiting is the reason we suck? Tanner still would have missed those receivers on a few throws. We do SUCK BTW.
BYU always does this... always seem to be just good enough to string us along with hope. Its miserable

I never said recruiting was the problem. Our receivers have the talent. They are just soft and are not running the correct routes. They drop too many catchable balls. This is a coaching issue. Just like with the offensive line. The last time we had a competent offensive line was when Jeff Grimes was the coach. We had the receivers coach that we needed but Holladay was not retained. This is all on the coaches. Tanner isn't making the best decisions on every throw but as long as our receivers are playing like marshmallows, our offense is going to look soft and impotent.

No the last time BYU had a decent O-line coach was during Lavells last season. I agree the receivers have talent they just lack the mental toughness the need to run precise routs and catch clutch balls when they are needed. This indeed a coaching problem just like the O-line lacking the toughness they need to hit somebody and drive them back 3 yards to open running lanes and to knock defenders back that are rushing the QB. This too is a coaching issue.

[frdbtr]

2 dropped balls. Anyone still saying this is Tanners fault?

C'mon Man.. you're looking at the last drive only. Mangum was AWFUL the entire fist half and only semi decent the second half. He was good the last two drives. The bulk of this game you CAN look to Mangum.
He did turn it up at the end but it was too little too late

I disagree. While he was most certainly not perfect, there were missed plays by the receivers all game long. QB's only throw to guys they trust. He was trying to force things to guys he could trust. If BYU had a group of prototype physical BYU receivers from the 80's or 90's we would have had a better chance in this game. If BYU had the Oline from 96, 01 or 06, along with said receivers from the 80's and 90's we would have blown this team out.

So what... our recruiting is the reason we suck? Tanner still would have missed those receivers on a few throws. We do SUCK BTW.
BYU always does this... always seem to be just good enough to string us along with hope. Its miserable

I never said recruiting was the problem. Our receivers have the talent. They are just soft and are not running the correct routes. They drop too many catchable balls. This is a coaching issue. Just like with the offensive line. The last time we had a competent offensive line was when Jeff Grimes was the coach. We had the receivers coach that we needed but Holladay was not retained. This is all on the coaches. Tanner isn't making the best decisions on every throw but as long as our receivers are playing like marshmallows, our offense is going to look soft and impotent.

No the last time BYU had a decent O-line coach was during Lavells last season. I agree the receivers have talent they just lack the mental toughness the need to run precise routs and catch clutch balls when they are needed. This indeed a coaching problem just like the O-line lacking the toughness they need to hit somebody and drive them back 3 yards to open running lanes and to knock defenders back that are rushing the QB. This too is a coaching issue.

In 06 with Jeff Grimes, John Beck stood behind a brick wall of an Offensive line against TCU's rush with 2 badly sprained ankles and threw darts all over the field. He left after the 07 season and the Oline got worse every year since.

[TheDean]

Agree we have a coaching problem, but who do you go and get? We don't pay coaches like a P5 program, and you don't see BYU coaches using the program to jump up to the next level. Either you go young and let it develop, or go with a retread, or let Detmer learn on the job, I guess. Depressing.

Not sure about the Oline but receivers would be easy. Roderick was on the sideline of the game. Eric Drage has applied for the receivers position multiple times. Just get someone who will teach the receivers to bring the physicality to the db's instead of look afraid of contact. Maybe Beg Holladay back.

Receiver's coach would be easy just hire Chad Lewis who is a 6 time all pro TE and knows how to get open and get the tough yards and is still at BYU in the front office. O-line is the one that will be the problem as they will have to find a good one and that will be difficult.

Has anyone noticed how the offense does better when in a hurry up mode????

[a1247]

Hifo for might have had the worst game I've ever seen. Dropped balls and because of his stupidity he cost them a touchdown. Cahoon needs to go tomorrow and Aaron Rodrick needs to replace him. Even if it's just on the interm tag.

Detmer needs to go to a hurry up shot gun offense. The pro set isn't working and the offense plays better when they are playing fast tempo.

[frdbtr]

Hifo for might have had the worst game I've ever seen. Dropped balls and because of his stupidity he cost them a touchdown. Cahoon needs to go tomorrow and Aaron Rodrick needs to replace him. Even if it's just on the interm tag.

Detmer needs to go to a hurry up shot gun offense. The pro set isn't working and the offense plays better when they are playing fast tempo.

I agree, BYU needs to increase the Tempo. They don't even need to go full no huddle, just speed it up and don't let the defense set up. Cahoon was a major mistake at receivers coach. He was fired the first time for incompetence and we brought him back. Empey was also the Oline coach with Crowton and that Oline was horrible before they fired him and hired Jeff Grimes. Why do we retread failed coaches?

[TheDean]

C'mon Man.. you're looking at the last drive only. Mangum was AWFUL the entire fist half and only semi decent the second half. He was good the last two drives. The bulk of this game you CAN look to Mangum.
He did turn it up at the end but it was too little too late

I disagree. While he was most certainly not perfect, there were missed plays by the receivers all game long. QB's only throw to guys they trust. He was trying to force things to guys he could trust. If BYU had a group of prototype physical BYU receivers from the 80's or 90's we would have had a better chance in this game. If BYU had the Oline from 96, 01 or 06, along with said receivers from the 80's and 90's we would have blown this team out.

So what... our recruiting is the reason we suck? Tanner still would have missed those receivers on a few throws. We do SUCK BTW.
BYU always does this... always seem to be just good enough to string us along with hope. Its miserable

I never said recruiting was the problem. Our receivers have the talent. They are just soft and are not running the correct routes. They drop too many catchable balls. This is a coaching issue. Just like with the offensive line. The last time we had a competent offensive line was when Jeff Grimes was the coach. We had the receivers coach that we needed but Holladay was not retained. This is all on the coaches. Tanner isn't making the best decisions on every throw but as long as our receivers are playing like marshmallows, our offense is going to look soft and impotent.

No the last time BYU had a decent O-line coach was during Lavells last season. I agree the receivers have talent they just lack the mental toughness the need to run precise routs and catch clutch balls when they are needed. This indeed a coaching problem just like the O-line lacking the toughness they need to hit somebody and drive them back 3 yards to open running lanes and to knock defenders back that are rushing the QB. This too is a coaching issue.

In 06 with Jeff Grimes, John Beck stood behind a brick wall of an Offensive line against TCU's rush with 2 badly sprained ankles and threw darts all over the field. He left after the 07 season and the Oline got worse every year since.

Really as I recall Beck was still be chased most of the time in 06 as the o-line was the worst it had ever been thanks to coach Reynolds and has never really improved and if he was so good then why wasn't he kept as O-line coach after the season was over. In Lavell's last year BYU had 3 outland trophy winners on the o-line, who played the next year under Reynolds in Crowtons first season as HC and the O-line steadily went down hill as the season went on and has never been the same since and BYU has made 5 or 6 changes in O-line coaches since Lavell left.