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The data isn't super great going that far back, but depending on how far back you go we have lost out on more than Parker and Jackson, but you might be new to following the team.BroncoBot wrote:green, you're gonna have to show me how byu has had difficulty recruiting since wcc. this has to be one of the highest rated teams ever at byu. who was rose recruiting in the mwc that was better than mika, Haws, Emery, even Bryant and Aytes were highly recruited. I, for one don't buy the old "wcc is worse for recruiting because of high school gyms" line. I think recruiting has never been better. At the very least, it's as good as it has ever been for BYU bball. BYU got to play a number one seed 2x this year and beat the number one team in the country. when did ByU do that in MWC? Heck, even Jimmer wasn't highly recruited back in the mwc days. we've lost exactly 2 recruiting battles of significance... parker and jackson. BYU gonna lose those guys 9 out of 10 times if duke or unc or Kentucky offers. it's not due to being in wcc.
We got passed up on quite a bit when Utah went to the Pac-12. Jared Loveridge was one, and then a few others. Kyle Davis passed us up for Utah State in the MWC before coming to his senses. There is a reason that we haven't had a steady bench for years, and that we don't have any seniors and haven't been senior laden for years. And it isn't because Rose scares them off so that he can get much lesser known junior college talent. That is just stupidity (although I think that he has mismanaged his bench in the past, and I have been vocal about that).
Sure, we are getting young talent. Rose is killing it. We are going to be good for a while. But it took a while to get here, and having a few Jared Loveridge's coming off the bench for serious minutes would have been pretty great.
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And for everyone here comparing the MWC *without* us to the WCC *with* us is laughable. You have it exactly backwards.
If you remember the MWC for what it was (some of you are too young), with UNLV, New Mexico, Utah, SDSU, and us all battling against each other, we were easily the 3rd or 4th best conference in the nation. Oh yeah, and we won some of those regular season conference titles and upset some very good teams to do it.
I don't find it a surprise that we go to a new inferior conference and right away we have teams with almost no seniors (or exactly zero in our case this year) and the worst scoring bench in the country. (look it up)
If you remember the MWC for what it was (some of you are too young), with UNLV, New Mexico, Utah, SDSU, and us all battling against each other, we were easily the 3rd or 4th best conference in the nation. Oh yeah, and we won some of those regular season conference titles and upset some very good teams to do it.
I don't find it a surprise that we go to a new inferior conference and right away we have teams with almost no seniors (or exactly zero in our case this year) and the worst scoring bench in the country. (look it up)
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Hopefully you are watching your dream team. They aren't good at all. This is why they haven't played all season. We have no bench.Brayden Green wrote:What a fun 30 total team ppg that will be! Hopefully they play perfect defense and never foul.UCChris wrote:All I can say is that I can't wait until this team is led by Beo, Guinn, Leifson, and Bryant.
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Hopefully you are watching your dream team. They aren't good at all. This is why they haven't played all season. They flat out suck and aren't worth the minutes, even off the bench. Steven Beo... hahaha. Good call there.Brayden Green wrote:What a fun 30 total team ppg that will be! Hopefully they play perfect defense and never foul.UCChris wrote:All I can say is that I can't wait until this team is led by Beo, Guinn, Leifson, and Bryant.
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BYU has never had a bench. Not that I can remember.Brayden Green wrote:Hopefully you are watching your dream team. They aren't good at all. This is why they haven't played all season. They flat out suck and aren't worth the minutes, even off the bench. Steven Beo... hahaha. Good call there.Brayden Green wrote:What a fun 30 total team ppg that will be! Hopefully they play perfect defense and never foul.UCChris wrote:All I can say is that I can't wait until this team is led by Beo, Guinn, Leifson, and Bryant.
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Jared Loveridge was never coming to BYU. Turns out they were a flat out terrible fit. He did fine at the U where he fit in much better.Brayden Green wrote:The data isn't super great going that far back, but depending on how far back you go we have lost out on more than Parker and Jackson, but you might be new to following the team.BroncoBot wrote:green, you're gonna have to show me how byu has had difficulty recruiting since wcc. this has to be one of the highest rated teams ever at byu. who was rose recruiting in the mwc that was better than mika, Haws, Emery, even Bryant and Aytes were highly recruited. I, for one don't buy the old "wcc is worse for recruiting because of high school gyms" line. I think recruiting has never been better. At the very least, it's as good as it has ever been for BYU bball. BYU got to play a number one seed 2x this year and beat the number one team in the country. when did ByU do that in MWC? Heck, even Jimmer wasn't highly recruited back in the mwc days. we've lost exactly 2 recruiting battles of significance... parker and jackson. BYU gonna lose those guys 9 out of 10 times if duke or unc or Kentucky offers. it's not due to being in wcc.
We got passed up on quite a bit when Utah went to the Pac-12. Jared Loveridge was one, and then a few others. Kyle Davis passed us up for Utah State in the MWC before coming to his senses. There is a reason that we haven't had a steady bench for years, and that we don't have any seniors and haven't been senior laden for years. And it isn't because Rose scares them off so that he can get much lesser known junior college talent. That is just stupidity (although I think that he has mismanaged his bench in the past, and I have been vocal about that).
Sure, we are getting young talent. Rose is killing it. We are going to be good for a while. But it took a while to get here, and having a few Jared Loveridge's coming off the bench for serious minutes would have been pretty great.
Kyle Davis DID end up at the Y as you said. I think Morrell being coach there at the time had more to do with his decision than MWC vs WCC.
Anyone else?
Here's my take. BYU's extremely limited in who they can recruit. It's the beos, Leifsons, shaws, guinns that are going to come to byu. Parker and Jackson are not going to go to BYU, probably a smart career move. Wcc is an afterthought. I don't think it's swayed anyone so far. Loveridge and Davis don't convince me otherwise.
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Michael Loyd Jr won an NCAA tourney game by coming off the bench during Jimmer's JR year.BroncoBot wrote:BYU has never had a bench. Not that I can remember.Brayden Green wrote:Hopefully you are watching your dream team. They aren't good at all. This is why they haven't played all season. They flat out suck and aren't worth the minutes, even off the bench. Steven Beo... hahaha. Good call there.Brayden Green wrote:What a fun 30 total team ppg that will be! Hopefully they play perfect defense and never foul.UCChris wrote:All I can say is that I can't wait until this team is led by Beo, Guinn, Leifson, and Bryant.
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Oh, I forgot about Michael. That guy was fun to watch.SpiffCoug wrote:Michael Loyd Jr won an NCAA tourney game by coming off the bench during Jimmer's JR year.BroncoBot wrote:BYU has never had a bench. Not that I can remember.Brayden Green wrote:Hopefully you are watching your dream team. They aren't good at all. This is why they haven't played all season. They flat out suck and aren't worth the minutes, even off the bench. Steven Beo... hahaha. Good call there.Brayden Green wrote:What a fun 30 total team ppg that will be! Hopefully they play perfect defense and never foul.UCChris wrote:All I can say is that I can't wait until this team is led by Beo, Guinn, Leifson, and Bryant.
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I'll give you that. Although if BYU's injuries were bench players, we'd have LJ Rose and Kyle Davis coming off the bench. Two guys who would be a big help this year.SpiffCoug wrote:Michael Loyd Jr won an NCAA tourney game by coming off the bench during Jimmer's JR year.BroncoBot wrote:BYU has never had a bench. Not that I can remember.Brayden Green wrote:Hopefully you are watching your dream team. They aren't good at all. This is why they haven't played all season. They flat out suck and aren't worth the minutes, even off the bench. Steven Beo... hahaha. Good call there.Brayden Green wrote:What a fun 30 total team ppg that will be! Hopefully they play perfect defense and never foul.UCChris wrote:All I can say is that I can't wait until this team is led by Beo, Guinn, Leifson, and Bryant.