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Re: courage

Post by snoscythe » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:42 pm

jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:28 am
Blacks are . . . less likely to hire attorneys that appropriately represent them among other reasons.
....and with that you just undercut the persuasive strength of all of your arguments after "arrest rate".

Not to mention that most of the statistical discrepancies between whites/blacks/hispanics disappear when you control for income level.

The justice system isn't racist -- it's biased in favor of wealth.

If you're an upper middle class guy, regardless of race, and you're caught with weed, you're just going to get a warning most of the time. If you do happen to get cited, you're going to hire an attorney who gets paid the more they work on your case as opposed to a public defender who is probably not as experienced and more overworked. The hired attorney needs to provide a positive outcome to build that resume and build an image that leads to more paying clients. The public defender just wants to clear cases.

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Re: courage

Post by jvquarterback » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:28 pm

Ddawg wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:24 am
jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:28 am
I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.
With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.
Oh you read my post. You just have no argument and want to stick your head in the sand while you're wrapped up in an American flag. I'll take real freedom over any symbol of freedom any day.
If ye love the tranquility of servitude better than the contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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Re: courage

Post by jvquarterback » Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:40 pm

snoscythe wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:42 pm
jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:28 am
Blacks are . . . less likely to hire attorneys that appropriately represent them among other reasons.
....and with that you just undercut the persuasive strength of all of your arguments after "arrest rate".

Not to mention that most of the statistical discrepancies between whites/blacks/hispanics disappear when you control for income level.

The justice system isn't racist -- it's biased in favor of wealth.

If you're an upper middle class guy, regardless of race, and you're caught with weed, you're just going to get a warning most of the time. If you do happen to get cited, you're going to hire an attorney who gets paid the more they work on your case as opposed to a public defender who is probably not as experienced and more overworked. The hired attorney needs to provide a positive outcome to build that resume and build an image that leads to more paying clients. The public defender just wants to clear cases.
You certainly have some argument that wealth buys more equality before the law, but the reason prosecutors overcharge blacks is not solely due to wealth - there are plenty of multivariate analyses evaluating that. Being black, for whatever reason you like, is an independent risk factor for a greater number of charges, more severe charges, greater likelihood of loss in either bench or jury trials (jury trials are especially bad for blacks regardless of the racial composition of the jury), and harsher sentencing.

But forget all of that, the guys wearing badges who are 3.7 times more likely to arrest blacks also happen to have an American flag on their shoulder. This leads directly to the highest incarceration rate of blacks anywhere in the world. Is it any wonder some blacks don't see that symbol on the cops' shoulder as a symbol of freedom?
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Re: courage

Post by KingCoug » Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:25 pm

What a pile of steaming horse manure. Cops are more likely to arrest blacks because they have more run ins with blacks. And they have more run ins with blacks because blacks commit more crimes, especially relative to their percentage of the population.

Go back and look at the link I posted earlier in this thread. It cites more than enough evidence through past and recent studies which show that, even allowing for some bias in the criminal justice system, there is no explaining away the facts when it comes to blacks and crime. Anyone who says otherwise, including you, is in denial or has an agenda.
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Re: courage

Post by Ddawg » Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:44 pm

jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:28 pm
Ddawg wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:24 am
jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:28 am
I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.
With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.
Oh you read my post. You just have no argument and want to stick your head in the sand while you're wrapped up in an American flag. I'll take real freedom over any symbol of freedom any day.
Ohhhh - the whining "know it all" is now telepathic.

1. No, I did not read your post. You offer nothing.
2. You are a whining anti-American spoiled brat.
3. You are an anti-military spoiled brat enjoying the freedom that they bought with their blood and flesh.
4. You are a whining anti-police spoiled brat that enjoys the sta-bility and and safety they provide.
5. You have never served in the military or worked as a cop. You have no idea the commitment and price that is paid for you to malign and attack these folks. You are the lowest form in ingrate. You enjoy the freedom and security these folks provide while you sir comfortably in from t of your computer and attack them endlessly. You are a whining snowflake puke.

Have a nice night.

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Re: courage

Post by jvquarterback » Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:55 am

Ddawg wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:44 pm
jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:28 pm
Ddawg wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:24 am
jvquarterback wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:28 am
I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.
With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.
Oh you read my post. You just have no argument and want to stick your head in the sand while you're wrapped up in an American flag. I'll take real freedom over any symbol of freedom any day.
Ohhhh - the whining "know it all" is now telepathic.

1. No, I did not read your post. You offer nothing.
2. You are a whining anti-American spoiled brat.
3. You are an anti-military spoiled brat enjoying the freedom that they bought with their blood and flesh.
4. You are a whining anti-police spoiled brat that enjoys the sta-bility and and safety they provide.
5. You have never served in the military or worked as a cop. You have no idea the commitment and price that is paid for you to malign and attack these folks. You are the lowest form in ingrate. You enjoy the freedom and security these folks provide while you sir comfortably in from t of your computer and attack them endlessly. You are a whining snowflake puke.

Have a nice night.
I am for equality before the law. That is all.

I'll remove the part about you having the U next to your name if it will assuage your delicate sensitivities and get you to read the post outlining ways in which blacks are not treated equally before the law. It's up to you to decide whether you'll continue to hide behind the last refuge of scoundrels - patriotism, or address the shortcomings of the police state we have here in America which results in the highest incarceration rates in the world.
If ye love the tranquility of servitude better than the contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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Re: courage

Post by jvquarterback » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:18 am

KingCoug wrote:
Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:25 pm
What a pile of steaming horse manure. Cops are more likely to arrest blacks because they have more run ins with blacks. And they have more run ins with blacks because blacks commit more crimes, especially relative to their percentage of the population.

Go back and look at the link I posted earlier in this thread. It cites more than enough evidence through past and recent studies which show that, even allowing for some bias in the criminal justice system, there is no explaining away the facts when it comes to blacks and crime. Anyone who says otherwise, including you, is in denial or has an agenda.
I read it (the only thing you cited was the dailywire article that I can tell). We can cherry pick a few crimes which blacks commit more than whites including homicides, but the number of people in prison for homicide represent a small percentage of the prison population.

That doesn't negate the fact that blacks are arrested at higher rates given the incidence of drug use for every single drug. You're absolutely correct that cops have more run ins with blacks, but there is no way you can argue that blacks use marijuana, or any other drug for that matter, yet the arrest rates are 3-4 times that of whites. And the prisons certainly have a higher population of drug users than murderers or anything else.

That is not equality before the law.
If ye love the tranquility of servitude better than the contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
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