BYU announces caffeinated beverages will be served on campus and at games

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Re: BYU announces caffeinated beverages will be served on campus and at games

Post by BoiseBYU » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:51 pm

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I don't care if a member in Utah shows up to church in jeans, shorts, or whatever.
But those heathens in Idaho....
Don't even get me started on THAT group!
We're beyond the pale ;)
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Re: BYU announces caffeinated beverages will be served on campus and at games

Post by hawkwing » Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:53 pm

byufan4ever wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:17 pm
hawkwing wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:39 am
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I've served as Elders Quorum President in a previous ward I lived in and had an interesting experience there. I had just grown out a goatee right before I was called. The Stake President (who also worked at LDS Church headquarters) called me in and asked if I would accept that calling. His next question was how attached I was to the facial hair. I just laughed it off and made a comment about it being new--but he didn't move on until I agreed to shave it off for the duration of my calling. I did because it wasn't a big deal to me--but then when I was calling counselors, one guy I suggested is a guy who also has facial hair and puts highlights in his hair. I was counseled that he would not be a good option and that I should focus on people who the ward "can look up to". I don't know if the Bishop knew something I didn't or if his comments were specifically concerning his grooming--but that always rubbed me a bit wrong.
I've since moved wards/stakes and have a goatee again. But I was called to be in the HP group leadership--and they said nothing about facial hair--though none of the SP have any. I'm not sure if that is just a "preference" thing or what--but facial hair has nothing to do with ones' worthiness or ability to serve. That is another area I'd like to see BYU and the church in general chill out a little over.
Every now and then I've grown a beard. It's mostly due to laziness so I have never been too attached to it.

Once when I was sporting a beard, I was in the temple. While getting a name I was asked whether I was a temple worker, typical question. One of the workers turned to the man handing out the names and said, "You don't have to ask him that. He has a beard. If someone has a beard don't bother asking that because they can't be temple workers." The two of them then proceeded to have a conversation because the fact temple workers can't have beards was a new concept to the one worker.
Easy there Gunk, perhaps the temple worker was someone who wanted to grow a beard but was following protocol? I think both sides of the argument get too worked up in the church sometimes. I also didn't know that being shaven was a requirement for working in the temple. CAn you get a beard card? ha ha .
I do not believe there are any exceptions allowed to the rule of being clean shaven. If that option is unavailable to you, you will be invited to serve in other ways, I imagine.
I thought they were joking. So if someone has a beard they really can't be a temple worker?
I can't speak to whether or not there are ever exceptions allowed, but it's in the handbook that temple workers must be clean shaven.

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Re: BYU announces caffeinated beverages will be served on campus and at games

Post by Gunk » Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:19 pm

byufan4ever wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:17 pm
hawkwing wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:39 am
BroncoBot wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:59 pm
Gunk wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:59 pm
Fido wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:32 pm
I've served as Elders Quorum President in a previous ward I lived in and had an interesting experience there. I had just grown out a goatee right before I was called. The Stake President (who also worked at LDS Church headquarters) called me in and asked if I would accept that calling. His next question was how attached I was to the facial hair. I just laughed it off and made a comment about it being new--but he didn't move on until I agreed to shave it off for the duration of my calling. I did because it wasn't a big deal to me--but then when I was calling counselors, one guy I suggested is a guy who also has facial hair and puts highlights in his hair. I was counseled that he would not be a good option and that I should focus on people who the ward "can look up to". I don't know if the Bishop knew something I didn't or if his comments were specifically concerning his grooming--but that always rubbed me a bit wrong.
I've since moved wards/stakes and have a goatee again. But I was called to be in the HP group leadership--and they said nothing about facial hair--though none of the SP have any. I'm not sure if that is just a "preference" thing or what--but facial hair has nothing to do with ones' worthiness or ability to serve. That is another area I'd like to see BYU and the church in general chill out a little over.
Every now and then I've grown a beard. It's mostly due to laziness so I have never been too attached to it.

Once when I was sporting a beard, I was in the temple. While getting a name I was asked whether I was a temple worker, typical question. One of the workers turned to the man handing out the names and said, "You don't have to ask him that. He has a beard. If someone has a beard don't bother asking that because they can't be temple workers." The two of them then proceeded to have a conversation because the fact temple workers can't have beards was a new concept to the one worker.
Easy there Gunk, perhaps the temple worker was someone who wanted to grow a beard but was following protocol? I think both sides of the argument get too worked up in the church sometimes. I also didn't know that being shaven was a requirement for working in the temple. CAn you get a beard card? ha ha .
I do not believe there are any exceptions allowed to the rule of being clean shaven. If that option is unavailable to you, you will be invited to serve in other ways, I imagine.
I thought they were joking. So if someone has a beard they really can't be a temple worker?
Correct. If you have a beard you can not be a temple worker, even though Jesus and God are clearly depicted as having beards.

And, if you are in a bishopric or stake presidency and have a beard you will more than likely be asked to shave it.
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Re: BYU announces caffeinated beverages will be served on campus and at games

Post by BoiseBYU » Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:11 pm

Gunk wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 7:19 pm
byufan4ever wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 2:17 pm
hawkwing wrote:
Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:39 am
BroncoBot wrote:
Thu Sep 28, 2017 10:59 pm
Gunk wrote:
Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:59 pm
Fido wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:32 pm
I've served as Elders Quorum President in a previous ward I lived in and had an interesting experience there. I had just grown out a goatee right before I was called. The Stake President (who also worked at LDS Church headquarters) called me in and asked if I would accept that calling. His next question was how attached I was to the facial hair. I just laughed it off and made a comment about it being new--but he didn't move on until I agreed to shave it off for the duration of my calling. I did because it wasn't a big deal to me--but then when I was calling counselors, one guy I suggested is a guy who also has facial hair and puts highlights in his hair. I was counseled that he would not be a good option and that I should focus on people who the ward "can look up to". I don't know if the Bishop knew something I didn't or if his comments were specifically concerning his grooming--but that always rubbed me a bit wrong.
I've since moved wards/stakes and have a goatee again. But I was called to be in the HP group leadership--and they said nothing about facial hair--though none of the SP have any. I'm not sure if that is just a "preference" thing or what--but facial hair has nothing to do with ones' worthiness or ability to serve. That is another area I'd like to see BYU and the church in general chill out a little over.
Every now and then I've grown a beard. It's mostly due to laziness so I have never been too attached to it.

Once when I was sporting a beard, I was in the temple. While getting a name I was asked whether I was a temple worker, typical question. One of the workers turned to the man handing out the names and said, "You don't have to ask him that. He has a beard. If someone has a beard don't bother asking that because they can't be temple workers." The two of them then proceeded to have a conversation because the fact temple workers can't have beards was a new concept to the one worker.
Easy there Gunk, perhaps the temple worker was someone who wanted to grow a beard but was following protocol? I think both sides of the argument get too worked up in the church sometimes. I also didn't know that being shaven was a requirement for working in the temple. CAn you get a beard card? ha ha .
I do not believe there are any exceptions allowed to the rule of being clean shaven. If that option is unavailable to you, you will be invited to serve in other ways, I imagine.
I thought they were joking. So if someone has a beard they really can't be a temple worker?
Correct. If you have a beard you can not be a temple worker, even though Jesus and God are clearly depicted as having beards.

And, if you are in a bishopric or stake presidency and have a beard you will more than likely be asked to shave it.
For me, it really does not eternally matter. I don't understand why. But I don't want to let my failure to understand drive a wedge between me and the Church. I will put this one on a shelf and (hopefully) ride it out.

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