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Re: violent left

Post by BoiseBYU » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:25 am

Appaling. But what do you expect from Beserkely? We are in a bad times and it seems like it comes from both sides. A white nationalist just slaughtered six worshiping Muslims in Quebec. Our President, when campaigning offered to pay the attorney fees to fans who commit violence and at other times expressed desires to strike people. I am NOT saying that these things justify the riot we saw the other night. They most certainly do not. But we all need to own up that we have too many people of all political stripes who advocate, condone, engage in violent acts for political or power grabbing purposes.

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Re: violent left

Post by Ddawg » Fri Feb 03, 2017 10:52 am

BoiseBYU wrote: We are in a bad times and it seems like it comes from both sides.
Not true. Please show me the riots that occurred from GOP folks after Obama was elected - either time. In the first 10 days of Trump's presidency, over 12,000 tweets and social media posts have been made - from leftist Dem's, calling for Trump's assassination.

There are isolated instances of kooks on the right that can be pointed to, But, there is no comparison to the mainstream magnitude of the violence and hate that comes from the left.

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Re: violent left

Post by BoiseBYU » Fri Feb 03, 2017 1:10 pm

Ddawg wrote:
BoiseBYU wrote: We are in a bad times and it seems like it comes from both sides.
Not true. Please show me the riots that occurred from GOP folks after Obama was elected - either time. In the first 10 days of Trump's presidency, over 12,000 tweets and social media posts have been made - from leftist Dem's, calling for Trump's assassination.

There are isolated instances of kooks on the right that can be pointed to, But, there is no comparison to the mainstream magnitude of the violence and hate that comes from the left.
Please do not inaccuratelly misstate what I said and then shoot that down. I did not state that what has most recently happened was comparable to past events. I said we are seeing bad times on both sides and the "bad times" I was referencing was with respect to violence and the advocacy of such violence that we do see all over the place.

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Re: violent left

Post by gingi » Fri Feb 03, 2017 4:09 pm

BoiseBYU wrote:
Ddawg wrote:
BoiseBYU wrote: We are in a bad times and it seems like it comes from both sides.
Not true. Please show me the riots that occurred from GOP folks after Obama was elected - either time. ...

... I did not state that what has most recently happened was comparable to past events. I said we are seeing bad times on both sides and the "bad times" I was referencing was with respect to violence and the advocacy of such violence that we do see all over the place.
He might have been calling out the premise of "both sides". The mainstream media has created the casual use of "both sides" as the two main political parties rather than good and freedom vs evil and tyranny. My side is defined by our shared principles, not by being Republican, LDS, conservative, Tea Party, or of Prussian descent.

Or he was calling out the moral equivalence of the typical and constant destruction of lives and principles by the left versus the very rare commission of those things by the right (IF you can say a white extremist who murders people is part of a group who believes in justice and the rule of law). The unintended consequences of equating the levels of violence and advocacy by the left vs the right are scary. The demonstrated differences in each ideology are almost polar opposites. I'm not saying it is so but this might be a case of calling good evil and evil good.

Or he was saying that "both sides" and "all over the place" are mutually exclusive. I don't know. I only know that you guys make me think hard about stuff I haven't thought enough about. Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful.

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Re: violent left

Post by Ddawg » Fri Feb 03, 2017 5:47 pm

BoiseBYU wrote:
Ddawg wrote:
BoiseBYU wrote: We are in a bad times and it seems like it comes from both sides.
Not true. Please show me the riots that occurred from GOP folks after Obama was elected - either time. In the first 10 days of Trump's presidency, over 12,000 tweets and social media posts have been made - from leftist Dem's, calling for Trump's assassination.

There are isolated instances of kooks on the right that can be pointed to, But, there is no comparison to the mainstream magnitude of the violence and hate that comes from the left.
Please do not inaccuratelly misstate what I said and then shoot that down. I did not state that what has most recently happened was comparable to past events. I said we are seeing bad times on both sides and the "bad times" I was referencing was with respect to violence and the advocacy of such violence that we do see all over the place.
You said "it comes from both sides." That's not a mis-statement. It's accurate. Please show me the anti-Obama riots after he was elected 2x.

It's equivalent to the liberal talking heads when they talk about Islamic terrorism. I've heard them say, lots of times - "Well, the Christians are violent too." Not true. Both are false equivalencies.

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Re: violent left

Post by Ddawg » Fri Feb 03, 2017 6:57 pm

Liberal NYU professor melts down. Orders assault.


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Re: violent left

Post by Ddawg » Fri Feb 03, 2017 7:10 pm

A limousine was torched on inauguration day in DC by anti-trump protestors. The limo was owned by a Muslim, Muhammad Ashraf.

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Re: violent left

Post by BoiseBYU » Fri Feb 03, 2017 9:51 pm

Ddawg wrote:
BoiseBYU wrote:
Ddawg wrote:
BoiseBYU wrote: We are in a bad times and it seems like it comes from both sides.
Not true. Please show me the riots that occurred from GOP folks after Obama was elected - either time. In the first 10 days of Trump's presidency, over 12,000 tweets and social media posts have been made - from leftist Dem's, calling for Trump's assassination.

There are isolated instances of kooks on the right that can be pointed to, But, there is no comparison to the mainstream magnitude of the violence and hate that comes from the left.
Please do not inaccuratelly misstate what I said and then shoot that down. I did not state that what has most recently happened was comparable to past events. I said we are seeing bad times on both sides and the "bad times" I was referencing was with respect to violence and the advocacy of such violence that we do see all over the place.
You said "it comes from both sides." That's not a mis-statement. It's accurate. Please show me the anti-Obama riots after he was elected 2x.

It's equivalent to the liberal talking heads when they talk about Islamic terrorism. I've heard them say, lots of times - "Well, the Christians are violent too." Not true. Both are false equivalencies.
Go back and read my post. Nowhere does my "it" refer to "anti-Obama riots." Nowhere. If you want to talk false equivalence, look at what you for some unknown reason are trying to do. For the record, though I doubt you care, the "it" I referred to was to "bad times" that at least I see at the present and which I mentioned in my post--riots in Berkeley, a white nationalist slaughtering Muslims in Canada, a President applauding violence at campaign rallies. These are the things that make up the "it" I was referring to. And for me they are bad times and they all sadden me.

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Re: violent left

Post by Ddawg » Sat Feb 04, 2017 8:40 am

BoiseBYU wrote: Go back and read my post.
I have.
BoiseBYU wrote: Nowhere does my "it" refer to "anti-Obama riots."
Wonderful.
BoiseBYU wrote: If you want to talk false equivalence, look at what you for some unknown reason are trying to do.
Exactly what am I trying to do? I am pointing out factual events. The democrat left is aligned with lawless and violent people. That is a fact. The democrat left aligns itself and embraces Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Mattes, Muslim Brotherhood, violent anti-free speech protestors at Berkeley, violent anti-Trump rioters across the country post election, and with violent anti-90 day immigrant temporary moratorium protestors at airports. Democrats and Obama embrace these protestors. So, exactly what am I trying to do? Point out the fact that democrats embrace violence and lawlessness and hate free speech (unless it serves their purpose)? It's true, and yes they do.
BoiseBYU wrote: For the record, though I doubt you care, the "it" I referred to was to "bad times" that at least I see at the present and which I mentioned in my post--riots in Berkeley, a white nationalist slaughtering Muslims in Canada, a President applauding violence at campaign rallies. These are the things that make up the "it" I was referring to. And for me they are bad times and they all sadden me.
Perfect.

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Re: violent left

Post by Ddawg » Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:10 am

If anyone thinks the divide in this country is somehow going to "get better" and improve - it's not. The Dem's are actually the Fascist Socialist party today. They call themselves "Progressives" to soften their image and be more palatable. It's a ruse. The Democrat party of our fathers is long gone.

Need proof? The Dem's really do not believe in free speech. Conservative speakers across this nation are either denied the right to speak on college campuses, or attacked, or have their appearance cancelled. It happens all the time to Conservatives. But, invite a Communist or radical Islamist to speak - no problem.

Look what Markos Moulitsas (don't know who he is?) told the NYT times: “Democrats either need to feed, nurture and aggressively champion the resistance, or they need to get out of the way in favor of someone who will.”

Kimberley Strassel, WSJ: "Message: Get with our agenda, or be purged. The progressives showing up for protests and demanding Supreme Court filibusters are determined to move their party aggressively to the left. Any Democrat who does not sign up for their policies and their resistance will face a primary."

Note: Markos Moulitsas is an influential progressive Dem. He founded and runs the Daily Kos. It is the largest and most influential daily liberal blog in the USA.

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