Re: New Sheriff
Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 1:00 pm
So, now we're okay with presidents who refuse to enforce laws they disagree with?
Exactly. Ryan is a fool, a tool and a buffoon. He's not a leader that we want leading conservatives.snoscythe wrote:Ryan is a tool.
Q: How many times did the House pass a bills to repeal Obamacare under Obama?
A: At least 60.
Q: How many times has the House voted to repeal Obamacare since Trump took office?
A: Zero.
Absolutely. Exactly what Obama did for 8 years. Wasn't Obama the "gold standard"? At least, that's what we were told - the best and brightest ever. Right?snoscythe wrote:So, now we're okay with presidents who refuse to enforce laws they disagree with?
You're listening to the panicking press too much. Just like a lot of people here thought Trump was going to "go after Mormons" if he was elected. If the Media did a decent job of actually reporting on facts instead of presenting opinion so much, they probably wouldn't need to worry about their jobs. They suck. They let Obama slide by for 8 years and now want to present opinion about Trump as fact.BlueK wrote:This is the most interesting part of your post to me. I am a conservative libertarian and place this principle pretty much at the top of the list. I am a Constitutional originalist. To me, Trump is mostly the opposite of this. I feel like his very hostile comments about the press are meant to lay the groundwork for eventually eliminating freedom of the press.imuakahuku wrote:IIf you want real freedom like what the founding fathers believed in then you should hope Trump is successful in his endeavors.
+1, minus Rand Paul who actually has presented a decent plan for repeal replace, the republicans were happy to seem irritated by the ACA with no real objection to it besides trying to score political points.snoscythe wrote:They've had just under 7 years to get a replacement plan teed up....BlueK wrote:It's only been one month. Might help if Trump gave him his plan as a starting point.That's what presidents usually do. The president is supposed to submit a budget. Has he? No. Trump said several weeks ago he had a Obamacare replacement almost ready. Yeah, I don't think he really did or the Congress would be working with it by now.snoscythe wrote:Ryan is a tool.
Q: How many times did the House pass a bills to repeal Obamacare under Obama?
A: At least 60.
Q: How many times has the House voted to repeal Obamacare since Trump took office?
A: Zero.
And not moving immediately on Obamacare now exposes the waste of time in voting to repeal it in the past---what was their plan back then? Oh, yeah--they were never serious, they were just scoring political points with no real plan in place. Ladies and Gentlemen --- YOUR Republican Party!!
AGreed, Just repeal now, or repeal with one year buffer to get a replacement figured out. If a replacement isn't acceptable in a year, it is null and void.snoscythe wrote:So, now we're okay with presidents who refuse to enforce laws they disagree with?
He's just getting his followers riled up against the press so he can later plant the suggestion of doing away with that freedom altogether. Oh sure, it won't happen overnight. It will be in small steps, but maybe it will be ok to start passing unconstitutional laws to punish them for saying what he doesn't like. Same with speech. It's what Putin did to Russia. He's following the same playbook.BroncoBot wrote:You're listening to the panicking press too much. Just like a lot of people here thought Trump was going to "go after Mormons" if he was elected. If the Media did a decent job of actually reporting on facts instead of presenting opinion so much, they probably wouldn't need to worry about their jobs. They suck. They let Obama slide by for 8 years and now want to present opinion about Trump as fact.BlueK wrote:This is the most interesting part of your post to me. I am a conservative libertarian and place this principle pretty much at the top of the list. I am a Constitutional originalist. To me, Trump is mostly the opposite of this. I feel like his very hostile comments about the press are meant to lay the groundwork for eventually eliminating freedom of the press.imuakahuku wrote:IIf you want real freedom like what the founding fathers believed in then you should hope Trump is successful in his endeavors.
I'm so certain what you predict will never happen under Trump - I'll make you a wager and put money on it. I think it's very revealing that you anti-Trump folks like to make all kinds of wild and dramatic predictions -- but don't back it up with real conviction.BlueK wrote: He's just getting his followers riled up against the press so he can later plant the suggestion of doing away with that freedom altogether. Oh sure, it won't happen overnight. It will be in small steps, but maybe it will be ok to start passing unconstitutional laws to punish them for saying what he doesn't like. Same with speech. It's what Putin did to Russia. He's following the same playbook.
He gets his political ideas from Steve Bannon who has written that his aim has been to bring European far-right nationalism into America, which is not a political philosophy that has roots in this country. It actually comes out of 20s and 30s European fascism, and as such is fundamentally opposed to things like free speech or press.
MSNBC, and media in general, believes it is their role to control what the public thinks.Mika Brzezinski wrote:[Trump] is trying to undermine the media and trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that, that is our job.
Exactly. I saw that this morning and considered including it in my post - Thank you Snow. You are my hero. The MSM is arrogant, very liberal, and view us "common" folks are beneath their superior abilities to discern and distill what is true and correct. Hogwash. They live in a liberal echo chamber.snoscythe wrote:Here is what Trump is fighting. This was said on MSNBC yesterday, and no one blinked an eye:
MSNBC, and media in general, believes it is their role to control what the public thinks.Mika Brzezinski wrote:[Trump] is trying to undermine the media and trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that, that is our job.