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Re: Never Trump-ers, Please Reply

Postby hawkwing » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:27 pm

SpiffCoug wrote:Obama also needs to be blamed. He is so feckless. He has zero leadership skills. He failed to respond to this cyber attack because he was so arrogant and confident that Hillary would win that he felt that he could do nothing and let her deal with it. He played politics with our electoral system.

He is so paralyzed with indecision that he makes our country less safe. He has no clue how to deal with Russia.

He was so focus on getting a deal with Iran - at any and all costs - that he was willing to give the Russians and Putin any and everything they wanted so that he could give the Iranians any and everything they wanted.

I can't wait until this sorry excuse of an American is gone from the highest office in the land.

Completely agree. Obama has let his ego rule his presidency since day 1 and his hope for a legacy with Iran will cause untold political fallout in the future. The less he does between now and the time he leaves office the better for the everyone.

Russia is America's biggest political adversary in the world right now and they are lead by a dangerous, cruel, dictator who will do anything to increase his power and influence.



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Re: Never Trump-ers, Please Reply

Postby Mars » Sat Dec 17, 2016 1:05 am

Hacking is a hard stretch to be seen as an act of war. It's a far cry from cyber-terrorism.


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Re: Never Trump-ers, Please Reply

Postby Ddawg » Mon Dec 19, 2016 9:38 am

hawkwing wrote:So anyone who says it's okay because they just revealed "crooked hillary" stuff is just flat out wrong in my opinion. The ends do not justify the means.


Who's saying that? Have any documentation?



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Re: Never Trump-ers, Please Reply

Postby Ddawg » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:37 am

All this hand wringing (by Hillary supporters) over Russians interference costing Hillary the election is baseless hot air. Hillary and the dem's are upset because the leaked emails revealed how corrupt and nasty they are internally. The leaked emails revealed the truth about the dems. Oops.

As has been posted here - do the Russians try to hack us regularly? Yes. As do we hack them. As do China, N. Korea, and everyone else. It's nothing new. It's "business as usual."

The real question is - did Russia - gain access to our electronic voting machines and change votes for Trump? Jill Stein's recount effort in 3 states was based on the voting machines being hacked and affecting the votes. The recount effort and investigation revealed that did not happen. The only "eye opener" that came out of the recount effort was irregularities in 37% of the Detroit precincts that benefited Hillary. Those recount efforts have been dismissed.

At Obama's final press conference he said the U.S. did have evidence of Russian hacking during the summer. At a conference in China (in September), Obama said he told Putting to "cut it out." And they did.

The NYT reported Dec. 16th: "Mr. Obama said that he pulled Putting aside at a conference in China in early September to tell him "cut it out" and the president said the U.S. did not see further tampering of the election."


On Dec. 15th Real Clear Politics reported Sean Hannity asked WikiLeaks Julian Assange if the Russians were the source of the hack leaks:

Julian Assange: "Our source is not the Russian government."

Sean Hannity: "So let me be clear, Russia did not give you the Podesta documents or anything from the DNC."

Julian Assange: "Correct."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/ ... mails.html

We shall see what unfolds as time marches on. Bottom line, Hillary and her supporters need to look in the mirror to discover why they lost.
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Re: Never Trump-ers, Please Reply

Postby jvquarterback » Mon Dec 19, 2016 10:45 am

McY wrote: the manner in which the hack appears to have been accomplished mimics previous hacks by Russia.


Only if you believe the DNC funded investigator that the previous hacks were done by Russian intelligence agencies (for which again there isn't any proof).

On the one hand the DNC and Obama are saying only a super sophisticated outfit like a foreign intelligence agency could pull this off, then were supposed to believe the same superstars made a bunch of amateurish mistakes, like using the same email service and web hosting sites they did in previous hacks. Not only that but they leave the Cyrillic metadata and use a username that happens to be the KGB's founder. That's a troll if I ever saw one.


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