Starting to lean towards Evan McMullin for President

[SpiffCoug]

If anybody really wanted to stop Hillary they should never have supported Trump.

I'm sorry people made the mistake of supporting the one candidate she wanted to run against who is the candidate she could beat who is one Donald J. Trump.

But I refuse to make the same mistake.

Totally agree until your last sentence. If voting for Trump means blocking the WH from Hillary I'll vote for Trump and sleep great.

That's fine. It doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake to support Trump. If the goal really was blocking HRC, then the GOP truly wet the bed.

No one owes their vote to anyone or any party. We should all feel comfortable with however we vote. Unfortunately, we all have to accept the decisions of our fellow Americans.

[BroncoBot]

If anybody really wanted to stop Hillary they should never have supported Trump.

I'm sorry people made the mistake of supporting the one candidate she wanted to run against who is the candidate she could beat who is one Donald J. Trump.

But I refuse to make the same mistake.

Totally agree until your last sentence. If voting for Trump means blocking the WH from Hillary I'll vote for Trump and sleep great.

That's fine. It doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake to support Trump. If the goal really was blocking HRC, then the GOP truly wet the bed.

On this we have no argument. And the GOP has made a habit of wetting themselves and following the democrats around for a couple decades now.

[SpiffCoug]

Yep. We have two parties in America today. We have the anti-America's Foundational Principles Party and the Stupid Party.

[snoscythe]

The GOP has the unenviable distinction of nominating the only candidate who possibly could have lost to Hillary Clinton because of a sex scandal. Noodle on that for a little while.

[Ddawg]

My summation of voting for Trump vs casting a protest vote for Evan McMullin.

I've read all the reasons why one should not vote for Trump - one's conscience, all his flaws, teaching the GOP a lesson, etc, etc.

1st, I think we all agree - Trump was not anyone's 1st choice. But he is the GOP duly elected candidate for president in 20116.

I will draw an analogy with BYU Football. Let's assume the Coug's 1st string QB suffers a season ending injury, as does the 2nd string QB, etc, until we are left with out 4th or 5th string guy (it's just fictional - give me a break) We have options. 1. We can refuse to play and forfeit the rest of the season. 2. We can show up at the game but only put out a half hearted effort. 3. We could quit the team and not support them. 4. Or, we could steel our spine, support our team, and do our best to win - no matter how long the odds.

The reality is, voting for McMullin is a protest vote. He has zero chance of winning. The 2016 presidential election will not be pushed into the House of Representatives. That is a false narrative that will not happen. McMullin is simply a spoiler, and a stumbling block for the GOP effort, not matter how you spin it. McMullin and his supporters are simply making it easier for Hillary to sit in the oval office.

The Trump detractors point to Trump's "female" problem. My response is - let's take a closer look at that.

1st, have the scumbag liberal dem left ever used sex scandals to destroy people in the past? Absolutely.
1. Remember Herman Cain in 2012? His candidacy was gathering steam and the liberal dem's trotted out some females that accuse Cain of sexual harassment. He withdrew from the race and the female accusers went away. Mission accomplished.

2. The Duke rape story? True, this was not about a presidential election. But it was about a scumbag liberal democrat DA Nifong in the middle of a re-election campaign. He used the false rape care narrartive to promote himself and win re-election - and destroy the lives of 3 Duke lacrosse players - and the coach. The case was completely false and was exposed.

3. How about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas accused by Anita Hill of harassment? The dem's really wanted to keep a black conservative off the bench. Luckily they failed. He is a stellar judge.

4. The Rolling Stone U of Virginia fraternity rape article. Turned out to be false. The article was retracted.

The point is,vthe liberal left dem's use accusations of sexual harassment and rape ad weapons to destroy people - because they hate the GOP, conservatives, and everything we stand for.

Did Trump sexually assault those women 10-20 years ago? I have my doubts. They've been silent for 1-2 decades. It it really happened, they needed to file their complaint in a timely manner through the police and seek justice. After 10-20 years of silence, then making accusations 25 days before a presidential election smacks of dirty dem political tactics.

On top of that, how much outrage do you think the liberal dem's really have about sexual improprieties? Look at 2 of the dem's heroes: Gill Clinton and John F. Kennedy. Both were notorious for having sex in the oval office and anywhere else that was convenient. Bill Clinton is a sexual predator accuse of rape for years - the dem machine discounts the story and demeans the accuser. Where's the outrage over the sexual misconduct of JFK and Bill Clinton? Nonexistent.

You can point to Trump's potty mouth on the Access Hollywood tape. Trump admitted it was him - 11 years ago - as a private citizen who had no political ambitions at the time. He also said it was just locker room talk. Was it stupid and crude? Yes. Is it a disqualifier for elected office? No.

I've read on "CC" is just a dem/Clinton plant - a Manchurian candidate, a trojan horse - to disrupt the GOP. Ok, where's the proof? Wikileaks has released 20,000 pages of dem insider emails. Not on hint or scintilla of "Trump the Clinton plant." I guarantee, if Donald Trump was a dem/Clinton plant - something would have shown up in those 20,000 pages of emails. It's just another false conspiracy theory. As flawed as Trump is, he is a true GOP candidate trying to win the presidency. No conspiratorial plant.

Your conscience won't allow you to vote for Trump because he's egotistical, arrogant, was a rich "playa" for years (as a private citizen, and he had every right to do so). Ok, having a conscience is good. My conscience says I should be loyal to and protect the Constitution - from enemies both foreign and domestic. I personally believe Clinton and the dem party are domestic enemies. The corruption, deceit, and lawlessness is off the charts.

The open borders. Most folks do not realize what a big deal illegal immigration is. There are probably 30 million illegals in this country. It is a matter of time - and not a long time - that all those illegals will be given amnesty. It will simply take dem control of the presidency, the House of Rep's, and the Senate. It will happen within the next 10 years. Guaranteed. Once they pass amnesty and the 30 million illegals can vote - you will NEVER see another GOP president in your lifetime. The socialist revolution will have won. N o turning back. On that 1 issue alone, all your consciences should have you voting for Trump. He is the only candidate (that can win) that will shut down and control our border.

The Supreme Court judge appointments, and the Federal appellate courts (13 appellate courts that sit below the Supreme Court). The SCOTUS will handle about 95 cases a year, give or take. The 13 courts of appeals will handle about 35,000 cases a year. There was 1 liberal appeals court 8 years ago. Now they are 70% liberal with Obama's appointees. What do you think will happen with 4-8 years of Hillary? Only Trump will appoint conservative judges to the bench that will affect the Constitution for the next 20 years. Hillary will appoint judges that will shred the Constitution and out rights. It's critical for religious freedom, free political speech, our 2nd Amendment, and our founding principles to defeat Hillary.

So, I hope you support the only team that will protect the Constitution - and that is the GOP. As flawed as it is, as many chinks as there are in Trump's armor, and even though he is our 4th string guy - he is the only candidate that can defeat the criminal Hillary Clinton. I'm voting for Trump to protect our Constitution and our borders, and I have a clear conscience doing it.

[Ddawg]

Anyone who would challenge whether a true Conservative or Republican could support Trump, I would submit you look at Rudy Giuliani, Newt Gingrich, or Sen. Jeff Sessions. There has never been a better GOP mayor, GOP Speaker of the House, or committed Conservative GOP Senator than each of these 3 men in their different roles. All committed Conservatives, all supporting Trump because they know the alternative is disastrous for America.

[snoscythe]

That's not the best parade of conservatives I've ever seen:

Guiliani the best GOP mayor? Ever? That's a big statement...and his conservative credentials are a bit lacking as a pro-choice, gun-control advocating policitian...

I'm also interested in how Gingrich is a better GOP speaker than the 15 before him--I assume you know all about them if you are stating he is better than all of them. As for a "committed conservative" -- How many of them sat on a couch with Pelosi to support Gore's climate change initiatives?

[Ddawg]

That's not the best parade of conservatives I've ever seen:

Guiliani the best GOP mayor? Ever? That's a big statement...and his conservative credentials are a bit lacking as a pro-choice, gun-control advocating policitian...

I'm also interested in how Gingrich is a better GOP speaker than the 15 before him--I assume you know all about them if you are stating he is better than all of them. As for a "committed conservative" -- How many of them sat on a couch with Pelosi to support Gore's climate change initiatives?

So you slam Rudy Giuliani for his work in New York. I guess you don't care much for Mitt Romney either? Both men functioned in liberal environments. I like Newt Gingrich because he's a fighter. He stood up to Bill Clinton big time.

[snoscythe]

That's not the best parade of conservatives I've ever seen:

Guiliani the best GOP mayor? Ever? That's a big statement...and his conservative credentials are a bit lacking as a pro-choice, gun-control advocating policitian...

I'm also interested in how Gingrich is a better GOP speaker than the 15 before him--I assume you know all about them if you are stating he is better than all of them. As for a "committed conservative" -- How many of them sat on a couch with Pelosi to support Gore's climate change initiatives?

So you slam Rudy Giuliani for his work in New York. I guess you don't care much for Mitt Romney either? Both men functioned in liberal environments. I like Newt Gingrich because he's a fighter. He stood up to Bill Clinton big time.

Not slamming Giuliani for his work--joint pointing out that the guy donates to PP and supports partial birth abortion among other non-conservative positions. Wha I am saying is that neither is the conservative paragon you paint them to be.

[Ddawg]

That's not the best parade of conservatives I've ever seen:

Guiliani the best GOP mayor? Ever? That's a big statement...and his conservative credentials are a bit lacking as a pro-choice, gun-control advocating policitian...

I'm also interested in how Gingrich is a better GOP speaker than the 15 before him--I assume you know all about them if you are stating he is better than all of them. As for a "committed conservative" -- How many of them sat on a couch with Pelosi to support Gore's climate change initiatives?

So you slam Rudy Giuliani for his work in New York. I guess you don't care much for Mitt Romney either? Both men functioned in liberal environments. I like Newt Gingrich because he's a fighter. He stood up to Bill Clinton big time.

Not slamming Giuliani for his work--joint pointing out that the guy donates to PP and supports partial birth abortion among other non-conservative positions. Wha I am saying is that neither is the conservative paragon you paint them to be.

I didn't say he is the "paragon" of Conservatives. He is Conservative - and a committed Republican - and a fighter. He doesn't pick up his ball and go home like all the neverTrump and McMullin people. Giuliani stands in the ring and does all he can to help the GOP win - he's smart, persistent, and has grit. I have high respect for him.