What We've Learned

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Re: What We've Learned

Post by snoscythe » Tue Dec 12, 2017 1:38 pm

byufan4ever wrote:
Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:46 am
No. 1: BYU basketball plays… defense? Even though we are in the exact same defensive efficiency at #82 it just feels and looks better.








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Re: What We've Learned

Post by Gunk » Wed Dec 13, 2017 12:43 am

I think the biggest difference in the defense this year is we're playing a lot more man defense.

We relied heavily on the zone in years past. Playing man gives a greater impression of defense because you see players moving around more and following opponents as opposed to moving around within a designated area. I don't know...
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Re: What We've Learned

Post by BlueK » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:33 am

We did play more man than zone last year, but it was often a sagging man that fans often confuse as a zone.
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Re: What We've Learned

Post by Gunk » Fri Dec 22, 2017 9:54 pm

Let's talk a bit about defense:

Scoring Defense
2017 - 68.9 points/game
2016 - 74.3 points/game

Defense Efficiency
2017 - .977 (121st)
2016 - .96 (50th)

2017 Opponent's 3P Percentage (1st 13 games):
MVSU - 35.3%
Princeton - 36.8
UT - 60%
Niagara - 33%
Alabama - 38.5%
UMASS - 35.7%
UVU - 12.5%
USU - 32%
Illinois - 29.2%
Weber - 25%
Utah - 22.7%
Idaho - 34.8%
Average: 30.4%

2016 Opponent's 3P Percentage (1st 13 games):
Princeton - 28.6%
Coppin - 17.2%
Coastal Carolina - 19.2%
Saint Louis - 23.1%
Valparasiso - 39.1%
UVU - 48.6%
USU - 26.3%
USC - 42.9%
Weber - 20.8%
Colorado - 24.1%
Illinois - 38.5%
Idaho - 31.3%
CSU Bakersfield - 30%
Average: 30%

People talk about the defense being better. It is...sort of. The biggest difference from last year is in Scoring Defense. We're allowing fewer points compared to last season. That's about it.

Perimeter defense seems to be better this season (probably due to the tighter man defense) but teams are shooting about the same against us.
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Re: What We've Learned

Post by Mars » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:37 am

BYU is 0-6 in OOC games the last 2 years where the opponent shot better than 37% from 3-point range. 0-2 this year, 0-4 last year. Undefeated in every other OOC game.

Damn that Arlington game was ugly this season! Same as last season. Good thing it seemed fixed by the UVU rematch.
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Re: What We've Learned

Post by Gunk » Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:58 am

Arlington was definitely the outlier this season. Take Arlington out, and we've been fairly consistent at defending the three this year.

Shooting 60% from 3 is just insane too. Sure we broke down on defense, Arlington was hot.
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Re: What We've Learned

Post by coachK » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:38 am

A more telling stat than just 3pt % would be how many 3pt shots we have allowed to be taken. Is our perimeter defense allowing fewer shots?

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Re: What We've Learned

Post by SpiffCoug » Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:59 am

coachK wrote:
Sat Dec 23, 2017 11:38 am
A more telling stat than just 3pt % would be how many 3pt shots we have allowed to be taken. Is our perimeter defense allowing fewer shots?
Through 12 games this year, we've allowed 239 three point shots by our opponents. They've made 80. They're shooting .335 through 12 games.

Through 12 games last year, we allowed 325 three point shots by our opponents. They made 100. They shot .308 through 12 games.
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Re: What We've Learned

Post by Cougs_Rule » Sat Dec 23, 2017 4:51 pm

Seems like this discussion needs the stats for possessions per game and points per possession.
My sense is that some of these differences dealt with pace of play being faster last year with a lot of chucking by our guys early in the shot clock; which leads to fast breaks and higher shooting percentage.
So, while the D seems better this year, last year looked better statistically but same or worse than this year.

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Re: What We've Learned

Post by frdbtr » Sat Dec 23, 2017 9:51 pm

As far as the stats are concerned, they don't tell the whole story as far as the defense this year. I watched last years team from the beginning and it seemed like they got worse as the year progressed, the team didn't improve, it regressed, with the exception of the Gonzaga game which was as much of a head scratcher as losing to UVU. This years team contests everything, nothing is coming easy for other teams, thus the stat of holding opponents under 70 points. They also play at a slower pace than last year. This years team passes the ball much better and works the ball all over the half court and usually gets better shots. There is a reason this team has the best record at this point that it has had since Jimmer's team. Of course our schedule isn't as hard but this team is also younger than that team was as well. IMO, they will be competitive in conference this year. We may not win the conference but this team gives me more hope for that to happen than any other team we've taken into this conference.

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