Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby Gunk » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:14 am

I'm going to say it. SMC has a better coach. I expected this season to be a bit rough, but it's been downright chaotic at times. I hope they get it together. I'm getting tired of saying, "next year."

Even during down years for SMC, that team is focused and disciplined. They rarely detract from the game plan. When they have the talent, it's lightning in a bottle for SMC.

Rose's team are not known for being patient and disciplined. They're known for being fast, fluid, and scoring a bunch of points. Rose teams thrive off rhythm. Get us out of sync, disrupt the flow and we lose.
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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby Qman » Sat Jan 07, 2017 9:20 am

Gunk wrote:I'm going to say it. SMC has a better coach. I expected this season to be a bit rough, but it's been downright chaotic at times. I hope they get it together. I'm getting tired of saying, "next year."

Even during down years for SMC, that team is focused and disciplined. They rarely detract from the game plan. When they have the talent, it's lightning in a bottle for SMC.

Rose's team are known for being patient and disciplined. They're known for being fast, fluid, and scoring a bunch of points. Rose teams thrive off rhythm. Get us out of sync, disrupt the flow and we lose.


It is interesting to consider what BYU's roster would look like coached by SMC's coach.


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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby frdbtr » Sun Jan 08, 2017 3:05 am

BYU is a young team learning how to play together. They have weaknesses that were exploited by a more experienced team. I see improvement in this team from game to game. BYU is getting better and will continue to get better. Lets give the BB team what we gave the football team this year, a chance to come together with all the change in player personnel that it went through in the off season. I feel that BYU will be much better the next time they play SMU. This team still has a chance to make it to the tourney, it just needs to continue to improve which is what I see.

By the way, Childs is a star in the making. I'm seeing him improve on defense and I'm seeing a jump shot. I don't know if he is LDS, and or planning on a mission or not but he has the potential to be really, really good. Mika is dominating and he still has his mission legs. He just doesn't look as explosive as he did as a freshman. Just wait til he has his legs back. Haws is starting to get comfortable but is streaky, probably because he is a true freshman straight off of a mission. This team has potential to be very good, they just need time.



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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby BroncoBot » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:29 pm

frdbtr wrote:This team has potential to be very good, they just need time.... and better coaching

added my thoughts to yours frdbtr. I agree with Gunk, byu has frequently been out coached since showing up to the WCC. we have the talent, but if things aren't going BYU'S WAY on offense, it all too often is a loss in the end. it's why I was down on this team back during the preseason and early season. I'm not arguing BYU has talent, but a bunch of top 100 players don't mean squat if they don't play as a team. and that's hard for any team to assemble with the amount of turnover BYU had the last year.

Childs was baptized less than a year ago. but I don't know if he has mission plans.



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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby BroncoBot » Sun Jan 08, 2017 2:32 pm

Qman wrote:
It is interesting to consider what BYU's roster would look like coached by SMC's coach.

i imagine the roster would look exactly the same. ;)



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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby scott715 » Sun Jan 08, 2017 6:46 pm

As SMC's or as BYU's?

Has SMC improved? Well they are ranked and going to the dance so the answer is yes.



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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby byufan4ever » Sun Jan 08, 2017 8:54 pm

Next year next year next year. It's always next year. We don't have a new coaching staff like the football team did. Mika could very well be gone next year. Then what? In basketball players can much more easily make an impact as a freshman compared to football. Plenty of basketball program insert new freshman every year that have an impact right away.

This is so right on:
Mars wrote:SMC plays team ball. BYU plays hero ball. 21 assists to 9.


SMC had a really good big guy and lots of guys who could shoot (and were willing to pass the ball). BYU just had a really good big guy.
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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby byufan4ever » Sun Jan 08, 2017 9:07 pm

Looking back at this post: http://cougarcorner.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20096#p230336
I wonder if Emery is still playing with broken ribs. It's one of those things that, yeah, you can play through it, but not at 100%. He's never rested to let them heal.

And I'm going to continue to stand by my preseason expectations:

NIT early exit = Major disappointment, Rose on the HOT seat
NIT semi-finals = disappointing season
Making the NCAA tournament = Expectation
Win conference title and/or conference tourney = Exceeding expectations
Sweet 16 = Fantastic season



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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby BlueK » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:52 am

BroncoBot wrote:
frdbtr wrote:This team has potential to be very good, they just need time.... and better coaching

added my thoughts to yours frdbtr. I agree with Gunk, byu has frequently been out coached since showing up to the WCC. we have the talent, but if things aren't going BYU'S WAY on offense, it all too often is a loss in the end. it's why I was down on this team back during the preseason and early season. I'm not arguing BYU has talent, but a bunch of top 100 players don't mean squat if they don't play as a team. and that's hard for any team to assemble with the amount of turnover BYU had the last year.

Childs was baptized less than a year ago. but I don't know if he has mission plans.


Didn't you say between 6 and 9 pre-conference losses? We're into January and still don't have 6 losses total. It has taken a while for the guards to come around, but they're getting there. SMC is a tough team to beat at their place. For that matter, how often do top 20 teams in college basketball lose at home? Essentially never. There is still a lot of season left. I still think they'll do some good things this year. A healthy Bryant seems to be able to really help them based on the last game. We're 12-5 right now. Looking at the schedule, I think we'll be 18-5 by the end of January. If they take it one at a time and focus on the task at hand, I think we win the next 6 going into the Gonzaga game.


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Re: Did SMC get better or did BYU get worse?

Postby frdbtr » Tue Jan 10, 2017 8:12 am

Every time BYU loses, we get out coached. I really get sick of this attitude. It just isn't the case. Coaches coach and players play. BYU has the best BB coach it has ever had. We have dominated the utes with Rose at an unprecedented level along with going to the sweet 16 in the NCAA tourney and if it hadn't been for Brandon Davies making a honor code mistake we would have made the final 4 that year. Just because BYU hasn't dominated the WCC like fans believed we would, we want to fire this coach and try to find someone who could do better. We are 17 games into a team who has huge potential and yet fans believed that this talent would come together and dominate without having ever played together. Give it time folks, it is going to get good. SMC's team has been playing together for years. Oh and by the way, BYU has been dominating SMC recently.




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