2018 QB Preview
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Re: 2018 QB Preview
Definitely. But was it Tanner or the system or the OC or the line or the inept coaching staff or... or.... or...
Tanner also had a superb freshman campaign, what changed?
Remember everyone calling for Taysom to sit so Tanner could save the football team in 2016? seems silly now. Fans are fickle.
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Fans are indeed fickle. I know I am. Was it just Tanner's fault? No. But he played pretty bad and contributed to it. He looked off from the first game of the year but nobody ever wants to hear any criticism of QB1. He looked off in the bowl game from the previous year. He looked off in the spring game. But people kept making excuses and he basically wasn't given any competition or fear for his QB1 status.BroncoBot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 amDefinitely. But was it Tanner or the system or the OC or the line or the inept coaching staff or... or.... or...
Tanner also had a superb freshman campaign, what changed?
Remember everyone calling for Taysom to sit so Tanner could save the football team in 2016? seems silly now. Fans are fickle.
I challenge everyone to go back and re-watch a game from his freshman year. Choose a game after his two hail marys. Focus on him and come back and report with as least bias as possible. You can find most home games on BYUtv.
I actually did this one day this past summer when I was bored and was trying to get myself hyped for the upcoming football season. In my mind I had this perfect picture of Tanner with his awesome hail mary passes and all of those yards that he threw for. I think I picked the Cincinnati game. Overall, he had good stats for the game and we won. But I remember thinking that he didn't actually look that great and that he constantly got bailed out by chucking long bombs that our tall receivers would go fight for.
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Re: 2018 QB Preview
Timely article from Harmon:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... -task.html
“My last year at Utah, we had two quarterbacks on scholarship in the room and now, here, we have eight with a ninth soon to return,” said Roderick.
“We are going to have to get that number down just to manage things. People don’t realize you only have 15 practices in the spring and then you have 29 in the fall before your first game, so, that’s not a lot of time. Then in each practice, you have X number of reps and you have to divide that up between three or four guys.
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... -task.html
“My last year at Utah, we had two quarterbacks on scholarship in the room and now, here, we have eight with a ninth soon to return,” said Roderick.
“We are going to have to get that number down just to manage things. People don’t realize you only have 15 practices in the spring and then you have 29 in the fall before your first game, so, that’s not a lot of time. Then in each practice, you have X number of reps and you have to divide that up between three or four guys.
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Re: 2018 QB Preview
Will Roderick be a decent QB coach?
Re: Tanner: I'm still hoping he comes in and does great! I love the kid and think he has potential at the next level ... but maybe I'm just dreaming. I think he as been saved by tall receivers who would fight for the ball, but that is kind of like saying that Joe Montana was saved by Clark making a great catch in the end zone or Rice having great hands. (I am NOT saying Tanner is Montana ... just that great (or even good) receivers ALWAYS help a QB look better.) Tanner has heart, he has talent, but for some reason he seemed lost much of the time last year. I hope he gets over it.
Whoever gets the #1 position, I am hoping for a great year for them ... but realistically I figure some improvement over last year, and hopefully bowl eligible. Beyond that, I refuse to get very optimistic.
Re: Tanner: I'm still hoping he comes in and does great! I love the kid and think he has potential at the next level ... but maybe I'm just dreaming. I think he as been saved by tall receivers who would fight for the ball, but that is kind of like saying that Joe Montana was saved by Clark making a great catch in the end zone or Rice having great hands. (I am NOT saying Tanner is Montana ... just that great (or even good) receivers ALWAYS help a QB look better.) Tanner has heart, he has talent, but for some reason he seemed lost much of the time last year. I hope he gets over it.
Whoever gets the #1 position, I am hoping for a great year for them ... but realistically I figure some improvement over last year, and hopefully bowl eligible. Beyond that, I refuse to get very optimistic.
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Re: 2018 QB Preview
I think that had to be at least part of it. It would be a terrible situation to know to whom you SHOULD throw, but not knowing whether a) they made the same read as you, and therefore whether they will be where they should be; or b) whether they will run hard or not; or c) whether they will fight for the ball if it isn't perfect; or d) all of the above ...
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Re: 2018 QB Preview
Probably was a combination of things as opposed to a single variable.
Bad OL. Lousy WRs. Lack of confidence.
New year. New coach. Hopefully we see a new Tanner.
Bad OL. Lousy WRs. Lack of confidence.
New year. New coach. Hopefully we see a new Tanner.
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I think you nailed it with the "tall receivers". I'd loved to have seen a healthy Taysom Hill in 2015 with those receivers. Would have been a hard offense to cover.byufan4ever wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:06 pmFans are indeed fickle. I know I am. Was it just Tanner's fault? No. But he played pretty bad and contributed to it. He looked off from the first game of the year but nobody ever wants to hear any criticism of QB1. He looked off in the bowl game from the previous year. He looked off in the spring game. But people kept making excuses and he basically wasn't given any competition or fear for his QB1 status.BroncoBot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 16, 2018 11:58 amDefinitely. But was it Tanner or the system or the OC or the line or the inept coaching staff or... or.... or...
Tanner also had a superb freshman campaign, what changed?
Remember everyone calling for Taysom to sit so Tanner could save the football team in 2016? seems silly now. Fans are fickle.
I challenge everyone to go back and re-watch a game from his freshman year. Choose a game after his two hail marys. Focus on him and come back and report with as least bias as possible. You can find most home games on BYUtv.
I actually did this one day this past summer when I was bored and was trying to get myself hyped for the upcoming football season. In my mind I had this perfect picture of Tanner with his awesome hail mary passes and all of those yards that he threw for. I think I picked the Cincinnati game. Overall, he had good stats for the game and we won. But I remember thinking that he didn't actually look that great and that he constantly got bailed out by chucking long bombs that our tall receivers would go fight for.
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Another timely article, focusing on Tanner's rehab and his desire to be the starter:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... roach.html
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... roach.html
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Re: 2018 QB Preview
Of all the QB’s, including the red-shirts, I would rank them in the following order, respecting their readiness and ability to compete right now:
1: Hoge
2: Critchlow
3: Mangum
4: Wilstead
5: Conner
6: Hall
Some caveats:
Mangum is obviously not ready to go right now, but I didn’t want to put him at the very bottom of of the list, so, my bad.
Hoge is perhaps injury prone, and Mangum could easily leap to the top if he gets his mojo back by the end of fall camp. Tanner may perhaps remain prone to injury even then, so he’s kind of a wild card on any list. I thought Critchlow was solid when he played last season, and no injury that I know of. I would have called it a tie between Jaren Hall and Stacy Conner, as they were both real gamers in high school. However, Conner is more fresh from that experience, while Hall may have mission rust.
My biggest hope is for Mangum to find his mojo again.
As an aside, I was surprised how far Zaddock D fell after his de-commit from BYU. Going to some place called Navarro College (he once had an offer from LSU)?
There is also a QB coming named Romney that is supposed to be a 3-star. He is either a brother or cousin to 4-star WR Gunner Romney. So that could be interesting. Don’t know if he’s enrolling now, or going on a mission. Don’t know enough about him to know where to rank him.
1: Hoge
2: Critchlow
3: Mangum
4: Wilstead
5: Conner
6: Hall
Some caveats:
Mangum is obviously not ready to go right now, but I didn’t want to put him at the very bottom of of the list, so, my bad.
Hoge is perhaps injury prone, and Mangum could easily leap to the top if he gets his mojo back by the end of fall camp. Tanner may perhaps remain prone to injury even then, so he’s kind of a wild card on any list. I thought Critchlow was solid when he played last season, and no injury that I know of. I would have called it a tie between Jaren Hall and Stacy Conner, as they were both real gamers in high school. However, Conner is more fresh from that experience, while Hall may have mission rust.
My biggest hope is for Mangum to find his mojo again.
As an aside, I was surprised how far Zaddock D fell after his de-commit from BYU. Going to some place called Navarro College (he once had an offer from LSU)?
There is also a QB coming named Romney that is supposed to be a 3-star. He is either a brother or cousin to 4-star WR Gunner Romney. So that could be interesting. Don’t know if he’s enrolling now, or going on a mission. Don’t know enough about him to know where to rank him.