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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:43 am

Jarhead wrote:
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Well for BYU's defense garbage time starts once the other team gets above 11 points, because our offense averages less than 11 points per game.

If actual statistics don't matter to you, just the "eye" test, I don't know what to tell you.

They only gave up a single score in the second half. The offense had plenty of chances. They stunk. Defense was okay. You obviously have a very different definition for the word bad than several others of us on this forum.
Good defenses don't give up 75 yard TD drives in a minute and a half right before half time to put your bad offense in a worse situation. Good defenses don't give up long TD drives with multiple 3rd and longs to put the offense 17 points down. This is a bad defense. Maybe they play hard but they are a bad defense. They are not turning the ball over, they are not putting pressure on opposing QB's, they are not giving our bad offense the best opportunity to win games. This team is a bad team all the way around. It isn't all on the offense. That is my only point. Both sides of the ball are playing poorly.
You live in a world where you can only call a defense good or bad. I live in a world where there are great defenses, good ones, average ones, poor ones, and terrible ones.

It's just a matter of semantics. I keep agreeing with you that the defense is leaving opportunites on the field. You seem to just ignore that for some reason. The only area where we disagree is on the label of what to call the defense. An elite defense would perform the way that you describe. But in my opinion, the two options are not just "elite" and "bad". Average is not bad. BYU's defense is at least average. If they were great or elite, it sure would help. But they just simply are not bad, not by any realistic measure of the term.
BYU's defense is ranked 84th out of 130 teams in total defense. That is not average. That is bad.

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:44 am

76th in passing defense, that is below average as well.

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:44 am

96th in rushing defense. That is bad

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:45 am

81st in sacks. That is bad.

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:47 am

96 in interceptions, still bad.

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:48 am

70th in defensive efficiency. Still below average. BYU's defense is a bad defense. All with stats, not just my eye test. It did confirm what I was seeing on the field though.

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by Jarhead » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:51 am

I'm seeing 70 on ncaa.com for total defense. 65 would be the direct middle. That would put us in the "average rank" in my opinion. Our ranking is only going to improve as we hit the softer part of the schedule.

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:55 am

I got my rankings from ESPN.com

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by Brayden Green » Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:58 am

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BYU has some good players, they should be playing better than this.
Fred Warner, Khyris Tonga, Tejan Koroma ...

Who else would you consider good on this team? Face it, this team is a bunch of scrubs. Bronco left the cupboard super bare. Jamal and Taysom were lipstick on a very, very ugly pig.
When Brayden posts Kalani be like:

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Re: BSU game thread

Post by frdbtr » Sat Oct 07, 2017 1:04 am

Brayden Green wrote:
Sat Oct 07, 2017 12:58 am
frdbtr wrote:
Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:32 pm
BYU has some good players, they should be playing better than this.
Fred Warner, Khyris Tonga, Tejan Koroma ...

Who else would you consider good on this team? Face it, this team is a bunch of scrubs. Bronco left the cupboard super bare. Jamal and Taysom were lipstick on a very, very ugly pig.
Bronco was taking these same types of players and fielding top 25 defenses on a yearly basis. Don't try to pull the cupboard is bare BS. It won't fly with me. Bronco averaged 9 wins per year with schedules just like this one. This team has plenty of talent to beat USU and this years BSU team. BYU should have beat the utes this year. We should have put up 60 on that bad PSU team. This is not a talent problem, it is a coaching problem on both sides of the ball.

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