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Is It To Early To Talk BYU @ND

by Cougarbib · 11/18/2013

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I found 2 lines showing it dead even and 3 showing ND as a 1 point favorite at their house. On a neutral field BYU would be favored. If this game was in Provo, like it should be............



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Cougarbib
Other than Taysom Hill struggling vs Wisconsin dejavu of U defense and throwing 3 picks vs Idaho State deja vu Virginia in the rain, and about 6 recent injuries, things are looking good for us.



ND has their own woes. Maybe NDCougar can bring us up to speed on that.



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SpiffCoug
I really like our chances to beat Notre Dame.



Running some of their numbers and they've been all over the place. Notre Dame is extremely inconsistent offensive and defensive team.
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scott715
I expect they'll get back some injured players due to their bye.



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NDCougar
Happy to provide thoughts and up dates later today. ND is decimated and the week off helps but it is really just putting a band aid on thing at this point. This year BYU has a fantastic shot to win.



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Cougs_Rule
Wait up guys. Isn't BYU just about as decimated?

Falslev

Mathews

Mahina

Friel

HADLEY

Jorgensen

Did I miss anyone?



If ever there was a game that where Cody could and should be doubled its this one. Who else can Hill throw to? Ridley, of course. But if they, like Wisc stack the box and shut down THill, this could be a long game.

I'm only asking for some assurance, bc I don't want to freeze my fanny off watching another snow-soaked, bad weather performance from Hill. I know I need some cheese with my whine, bc its going to be totally cool to finally attend a game in South Bend. But I need a "reason for the hope" and some, "help thou Mine unbelief" in our Cougs. Something meaty, not just platitudinous blue koolaid.

Keep I mind the forecasted high is 30 degrees F!!!!!! AND SNOWY!! Are BYU players going to play like kitties or lions?
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Wolverine
Cougs_Rule wrote:
Wait up guys. Isn't BYU just about as decimated?

Falslev

Mathews

Mahina

Friel

HADLEY

Jorgensen

Did I miss anyone?



If ever there was a game that where Cody could and should be doubled its this one. Who else can Hill throw to? Ridley, of course. But if they, like Wisc stack the box and shut down THill, this could be a long game.

I'm only asking for some assurance, bc I don't want to freeze my fanny off watching another snow-soaked, bad weather performance from Hill. I know I need some cheese with my whine, bc its going to be totally cool to finally attend a game in South Bend. But I need a "reason for the hope" and some, "help thou Mine unbelief" in our Cougs. Something meaty, not just platitudinous blue koolaid.

Keep I mind the forecasted high is 30 degrees F!!!!!! AND SNOWY!! Are BYU players going to play like kitties or lions?

Why don't you just shake that magic 8 ball that is sitting on your nightstand and ask it all of your questions to help your "unbelief" in the Cougs? Or better yet, just hunker down in your South Bend Motel 6 and watch another "bad weather performance from Hill" and that way you won't even have to worry about your "freeze my fanny off" concern. Like anyone on this board can predict what will happen on Saturday. ND is down this year, reeling off a loss to Pitt, coming off a bye week, has injuries, is at home, and it is Senior Day. BYU will have to tackle and stop the run, limit turnovers, score td's and not fg's. Go and enjoy what for many would be a once in a lifetime experience.
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NDCougar
Alright a quick update on ND, I am sure I will miss something. I believe BYU will win, but it will be too close to call. I love BYU, I grew up with season tickets, my family are all alums, we are Cougar Club, without going into details we are closely tied to the program.....that being said this is the one time a year/decade I am a "black sheep" in my family, ward, with friends I grew up with as I root for ND. I wanted to note my slight leaning for this game.



ND is beat up and was beat up to start the year. ND was over ranked to start the year (I have found everything regarding ND is overhyped, we tend to be ranked too high or too low, we are either the best or the worst by the media).



Player departures from the 2012:



Offense:



QB - Kicked out for year (Golson), but you will see the same QB you faced last year in his only start in 2012 was against BYU. Tommy Rees is a good kid and smart, but he tries to make throws he cannot make. We have not capable back-ups who are ready to play.



RB- Both key RBs from last year are on NFL rosters. RB with most upside who is just getting in the swing of things is a true freshman.



OL - We lost a few guys who were in NFL camps.



TE - Lost the top TE drafted in the NFL - huge loss



WR - No major losses, just huge additions who are freshman.....still a year away from where we need to be



Defense:



DL - We lost a key player, now on the Ravens (Kapron). We had Tuitt back and Nix, both have fought injuries all year; both may be first round picks but they have not played that way due to injuries.



LB - Manti and loss of players due to career ending injuries. We have been decimated here. Will discuss below.



Secondary - DB's are the same, huge loss in safety's.



As you can see when you lose your starting QB (this was supposed to be his first real year with the reigns off - he would have been a Sophmore), NFL TE, NFL RB's, NFL dlineman and saftety.....it is natural to take a step back. As much as people no this board dislike Manti, he was the leader of the defense and we have yet to find the new leader.....Manti made every play a level above their heads.



Injuries:



Offense:



QB: Elite 11 signee got mono to start the year and will not play. We have no real back-up, other potential back-up who was a Freshman last year and was the #1 drop back QB in his class transferred when it was clear Golson (QB who was kicked out) was going to be the man

Oline: We have two OL out for the year. Right side of our line are two true freshman

RB: Top recruit at RB is out for the year.

TE: Nothing major

WR: Davaris Daniels has been hampered by hamstring issues



Defense = Decimated



DLine: Tuitt (likely first round pick) had offseason back surgery and is barely back, but has not gotten help due to other injuries.

Nix (potential first rounder) missed several games, came back vs Pitt but was ineffective due to knee injuries.

Kona Schwenke (former BYU commit) is hurt and did not play last game vs Pitt....we will likely play vs BYU but will be hindered.

Day, re-injured high ankle sprain, will not be 100%.

Isaq Williams - missed Pitt game, likely vs BYU but will be hampered.

Our entire line is depleted, against Navy we were playing a 4th string DL. We went from one of the best line in the country to not having one player healthy.



LB: this was a new crew to start the year.



Ben Councell - knee out for the year.

Jarrett Grace - knee out for the year.

Danny Spond - "retired", head issues.

Tony Springman - out for the year.

The healthy LB's we have are slow and if spread out can be taken advantage of. We can hit, and match better against the power run.



As you can see BYU should be able to run, spread these guys out and Hill should get some time and should see a slower/hindered team.



Secondary: Nothing major, other than being exposed when they don't have one of the nations top front 7 to help them.



Shumate: Hammy, will play

Collinsworth: Hammy, will play



Without a doubt this is BYU's for the taking, if they lose it is because of bad coaching or ND taking advantage of situations. BYU can and will move the ball against ND, Hill should look like a start. If the oline can protect Hill BYU's WRs will get open and BYU will score. If ND makes BYU one dimensional, I would try to take away the run and force BYU to throw and hope we can contain the WR's. EVERYONE has moved the ball on us except USC, like I said traditional offenses is what we are suited for. Best player: watch Jaylon Smith, he is a true freshman and he will be known nationally before he leaves ND....he is legit.



On defense, you will get a few chances to get INTs from Rees. Happens every game, if you take advantage you win.....each loss the other team took advantage, in our wins the other team did not, simple. Our WR's (exception Jones) are very young, but hugely talented and they will get open and Rees will go deep. If we can run and the Oline gives Rees time we will move the ball all over BYU.....if you can stop the run and force Rees to throw we will move the ball, but there will be dumb mistakes and Rees will have a long day.



In short, I expect BYU to have success moving the ball given over half the defense is "out" or greatly impacted by injuries (including every top player). I could see ND moving the ball easily, I could also see BYU shutting the run down and forcing Rees into dumb decisions. I think there will be scoring, but see BYU winning if both coaching staffs take advantages of the competitions weaknesses and both teams play to par.



I know BYU has injuries, but this is not close. ND is truly decimated on defense, I have never seen them hampered by so many injuries. If BYU does not move the ball, I will be excited for ND's back-ups but furious at BYU's coaching staff for not making easy adjustments.



Note: for all my other ND alums and friends, they look at the season as being over and they are mildly interested in the game. The crowd will be tame, they are giving away tickets (in fact I just sold mine and have 4 more if anyone wants to buy some). The view is we are prepping young guys for next year, but nothing impactful as our QB is not back until January and we are bidding our time. Lastly ND plays bad at home under Kelly, every near loss was at home (underperforming in several: Pitt, BYU, Michigan). The hope I hear from ND fans is that Kelly pulls out a way to get the team fired up to take us into the next year on a high note (heading to Stanford) similar to our 24-3 over Utah (good team, most thought would win, down team and Kelly turned them around).



Either way best of luck to the Cougars, it is like seeing two children play each other.



Note: Too busy to edit or spell check so apologies in advance for quick typing!
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NDCougar
Cougs_Rule wrote:
Wait up guys. Isn't BYU just about as decimated?

Falslev

Mathews

Mahina

Friel

HADLEY

Jorgensen

Did I miss anyone?



If ever there was a game that where Cody could and should be doubled its this one. Who else can Hill throw to? Ridley, of course. But if they, like Wisc stack the box and shut down THill, this could be a long game.

I'm only asking for some assurance, bc I don't want to freeze my fanny off watching another snow-soaked, bad weather performance from Hill. I know I need some cheese with my whine, bc its going to be totally cool to finally attend a game in South Bend. But I need a "reason for the hope" and some, "help thou Mine unbelief" in our Cougs. Something meaty, not just platitudinous blue koolaid.

Keep I mind the forecasted high is 30 degrees F!!!!!! AND SNOWY!! Are BYU players going to play like kitties or lions?




Without a doubt BYU has injuries, ND is decimated on defense.....worst I have seen. ND has more players out for the year or with seriously limiting injuries on defense than they do healthy. ND wishes their injury list looked like your list (ND's list would be longer than that for their defensive front 7 alone).
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Cougs_Rule
Wolverine wrote:
Wait up guys. Isn't BYU just about as decimated?

Falslev

Mathews

Mahina

Friel

HADLEY

Jorgensen

Did I miss anyone?



If ever there was a game that where Cody could and should be doubled its this one. Who else can Hill throw to? Ridley, of course. But if they, like Wisc stack the box and shut down THill, this could be a long game.

I'm only asking for some assurance, bc I don't want to freeze my fanny off watching another snow-soaked, bad weather performance from Hill. I know I need some cheese with my whine, bc its going to be totally cool to finally attend a game in South Bend. But I need a "reason for the hope" and some, "help thou Mine unbelief" in our Cougs. Something meaty, not just platitudinous blue koolaid.

Keep I mind the forecasted high is 30 degrees F!!!!!! AND SNOWY!! Are BYU players going to play like kitties or lions?

Why don't you just shake that magic 8 ball that is sitting on your nightstand and ask it all of your questions to help your "unbelief" in the Cougs? Or better yet, just hunker down in your South Bend Motel 6 and watch another "bad weather performance from Hill" and that way you won't even have to worry about your "freeze my fanny off" concern. Like anyone on this board can predict what will happen on Saturday. ND is down this year, reeling off a loss to Pitt, coming off a bye week, has injuries, is at home, and it is Senior Day. BYU will have to tackle and stop the run, limit turnovers, score td's and not fg's. Go and enjoy what for many would be a once in a lifetime experience.


Alright, I suppose I deserved that. But it's the Marriott that makes that a tougher decision. ;-)

But seriously, aren't the Cougs pretty banged up also? Of course I believe in the Cougs and that we have a good shot to win. But last year, other than GT, BYU played ND as tough and good as anyone other than the NC game. S, it basically took BYUs best played game to stay in the park with ND.

Thanks NDCougar. Wow. You are right. Decimated. As if they have mailed it in for the season, the cold isn't going to help their motivation.
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mizzoucoug
At least get the grammar of the look at me thread title correct, wow.



Thanks for the rundown, ND Cougar. ND is not very good and so we should be able to walk in there, smack them in the mouth and collect the scalp. If we win it's a great confidence booster since it's a road win at a major stop. A loss tells me the team is still scared to play road games--this has got to change as an independent.



Let's go!
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scott715
So ND Cougar, should BYU run the option? Navy made them look silly.
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NDCougar
scott715 wrote:
So ND Cougar, should BYU run the option? Navy made them look silly.


I would, but keep in mind Navy has a different type option. ND's line is not meant for the triple option. We had many injuries and we were undisciplined. BYU can pass much better than Navy, I would work a play action all week and make ND disciplined and eventually guys will be out of place.....question is can TH make the big throw when ND bites.



Something that may hurt the option is the field. It has been replaced 3x since the summer. Once midseason and it was torn apart again during the Navy week. If it is wet it could be tough to make quick cuts. Saturday the high is 31 and 19 mile an hour winds with 50% chance of snow. There is a chance it is tough to pass too.



ASU had a tougher time, but the game was indoors and we were healthier......ASU's QB is not as mobile.
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Cougs_Rule
I do like BYUs RBs and running game more than ND.

THill, JW, Lasike, Algie Brown, Hine.

Run game and short dump off passes or slants with Cody and Ridley. Ball control and limit turnovers.

I hope they sell Hot chocolate. :-)
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NDCougar
Cougs_Rule wrote:
I do like BYUs RBs and running game more than ND.

THill, JW, Lasike, Algie Brown, Hine.

Run game and short dump off passes or slants with Cody and Ridley. Ball control and limit turnovers.

I hope they sell Hot chocolate. :-)


BYU has a fine running game, but I like TH to run the most. ND has a hard time with mobile QBs. Get these guys off balance and then throw over the top.



Short passes will be available as I see us playing off the WR's, ND plays not to get beat deep. That being said, we have struggled with deep passes and you can beat our DB's especially with Cody.....I would throw a ton of jump balls. If I were BYU I would force the safeties up with the treat of TH run and play action trying to get 1x1 coverage and would like Hoffman in a jump ball. If I were Anae I would do that.



If BYU does ball control, I love it if I am ND. Keeps NDs defense that is spread thin rested and ready.....does not put pressure on Rees to throw the ball. I would guess that is what ND wants. If BYU scores early and easily Kelly is known to panic and go away from the run (drives ND fans CRAZY, the OU game we could have run all day but were forced to throw as OU got up due to Rees INTs - no idea why we were not running to begin with).



If I am Anae, I am GFGH early with a HUGE emphasis on running and strategic passes. I am running to the line...option left, option right, draw, fake option pass over the top etc etc. Make the defense uneasy, no huddle etc. Make it easy for TH, then call a pass.



They sell hot chocolate, make sure to get your last cup by the 3rd....they sell out early.
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I'm betting there will be at least 1 TD pass to Hoffman where he is being interfered with.
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NDCougar
I feel like I am rambling to myself on here.......but appease me.



99% of ND fans I talk to have no idea who will win. ND is Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, we could lose big and win big.



I could also see ND dropping 35-45 points and winning by 14-28 points depending who shows up. It is a real possibility BYU wins by 14+ points with TH running all over the place and Rees throwing the ball to your the secondary a few times. This is the toughest game I have had all year to pick.



I feel the same as when ND played Utah a few years ago. I felt Utah had a huge advantage and should win. Utah got out quick with a field goal and then got smoked.....I was there and it was fantastic staring at the Utes in awe that had been talking trash. The game was bigger than them, fortunately almost everyone on BYU's roster has played at ND (except TH) and they will be up.



......I could see TH being the key to a win/loss.
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Cougs_Rule
Love your ramblings and game planning. We'll see if Anae is paying attention to CC. ;-)
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jonnylingo
NDCougar wrote:
Happy to provide thoughts and up dates later today. ND is decimated and the week off helps but it is really just putting a band aid on thing at this point. This year BYU has a fantastic shot to win.



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well that makes two of us. byu is also decimated.
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jonnylingo
NDCougar wrote:
Alright a quick update on ND, I am sure I will miss something. I believe BYU will win, but it will be too close to call. I love BYU, I grew up with season tickets, my family are all alums, we are Cougar Club, without going into details we are closely tied to the program.....that being said this is the one time a year/decade I am a "black sheep" in my family, ward, with friends I grew up with as I root for ND. I wanted to note my slight leaning for this game.



ND is beat up and was beat up to start the year. ND was over ranked to start the year (I have found everything regarding ND is overhyped, we tend to be ranked too high or too low, we are either the best or the worst by the media).



Player departures from the 2012:



Offense:



QB - Kicked out for year (Golson), but you will see the same QB you faced last year in his only start in 2012 was against BYU. Tommy Rees is a good kid and smart, but he tries to make throws he cannot make. We have not capable back-ups who are ready to play.



RB- Both key RBs from last year are on NFL rosters. RB with most upside who is just getting in the swing of things is a true freshman.



OL - We lost a few guys who were in NFL camps.



TE - Lost the top TE drafted in the NFL - huge loss



WR - No major losses, just huge additions who are freshman.....still a year away from where we need to be



Defense:



DL - We lost a key player, now on the Ravens (Kapron). We had Tuitt back and Nix, both have fought injuries all year; both may be first round picks but they have not played that way due to injuries.



LB - Manti and loss of players due to career ending injuries. We have been decimated here. Will discuss below.



Secondary - DB's are the same, huge loss in safety's.



As you can see when you lose your starting QB (this was supposed to be his first real year with the reigns off - he would have been a Sophmore), NFL TE, NFL RB's, NFL dlineman and saftety.....it is natural to take a step back. As much as people no this board dislike Manti, he was the leader of the defense and we have yet to find the new leader.....Manti made every play a level above their heads.



Injuries:



Offense:



QB: Elite 11 signee got mono to start the year and will not play. We have no real back-up, other potential back-up who was a Freshman last year and was the #1 drop back QB in his class transferred when it was clear Golson (QB who was kicked out) was going to be the man

Oline: We have two OL out for the year. Right side of our line are two true freshman

RB: Top recruit at RB is out for the year.

TE: Nothing major

WR: Davaris Daniels has been hampered by hamstring issues



Defense = Decimated



DLine: Tuitt (likely first round pick) had offseason back surgery and is barely back, but has not gotten help due to other injuries.

Nix (potential first rounder) missed several games, came back vs Pitt but was ineffective due to knee injuries.

Kona Schwenke (former BYU commit) is hurt and did not play last game vs Pitt....we will likely play vs BYU but will be hindered.

Day, re-injured high ankle sprain, will not be 100%.

Isaq Williams - missed Pitt game, likely vs BYU but will be hampered.

Our entire line is depleted, against Navy we were playing a 4th string DL. We went from one of the best line in the country to not having one player healthy.



LB: this was a new crew to start the year.



Ben Councell - knee out for the year.

Jarrett Grace - knee out for the year.

Danny Spond - "retired", head issues.

Tony Springman - out for the year.

The healthy LB's we have are slow and if spread out can be taken advantage of. We can hit, and match better against the power run.



As you can see BYU should be able to run, spread these guys out and Hill should get some time and should see a slower/hindered team.



Secondary: Nothing major, other than being exposed when they don't have one of the nations top front 7 to help them.



Shumate: Hammy, will play

Collinsworth: Hammy, will play



Without a doubt this is BYU's for the taking, if they lose it is because of bad coaching or ND taking advantage of situations. BYU can and will move the ball against ND, Hill should look like a start. If the oline can protect Hill BYU's WRs will get open and BYU will score. If ND makes BYU one dimensional, I would try to take away the run and force BYU to throw and hope we can contain the WR's. EVERYONE has moved the ball on us except USC, like I said traditional offenses is what we are suited for. Best player: watch Jaylon Smith, he is a true freshman and he will be known nationally before he leaves ND....he is legit.



On defense, you will get a few chances to get INTs from Rees. Happens every game, if you take advantage you win.....each loss the other team took advantage, in our wins the other team did not, simple. Our WR's (exception Jones) are very young, but hugely talented and they will get open and Rees will go deep. If we can run and the Oline gives Rees time we will move the ball all over BYU.....if you can stop the run and force Rees to throw we will move the ball, but there will be dumb mistakes and Rees will have a long day.



In short, I expect BYU to have success moving the ball given over half the defense is "out" or greatly impacted by injuries (including every top player). I could see ND moving the ball easily, I could also see BYU shutting the run down and forcing Rees into dumb decisions. I think there will be scoring, but see BYU winning if both coaching staffs take advantages of the competitions weaknesses and both teams play to par.



I know BYU has injuries, but this is not close. ND is truly decimated on defense, I have never seen them hampered by so many injuries. If BYU does not move the ball, I will be excited for ND's back-ups but furious at BYU's coaching staff for not making easy adjustments.



Note: for all my other ND alums and friends, they look at the season as being over and they are mildly interested in the game. The crowd will be tame, they are giving away tickets (in fact I just sold mine and have 4 more if anyone wants to buy some). The view is we are prepping young guys for next year, but nothing impactful as our QB is not back until January and we are bidding our time. Lastly ND plays bad at home under Kelly, every near loss was at home (underperforming in several: Pitt, BYU, Michigan). The hope I hear from ND fans is that Kelly pulls out a way to get the team fired up to take us into the next year on a high note (heading to Stanford) similar to our 24-3 over Utah (good team, most thought would win, down team and Kelly turned them around).



Either way best of luck to the Cougars, it is like seeing two children play each other.



Note: Too busy to edit or spell check so apologies in advance for quick typing!


lamest post ever. To sum up a long and unsightful post: this is my excuse if byu beats notre dame and it is injuries. given notre dame's recruiting they should be 8 times deeper than byu and you don't hear byu whining about not being able to win because of injuries. who cares if you have more injuries, you should have 8 more skilled back ups.



you sound afraid and too eager to provide an excuse why a lowly team like byu might beat your mighty irish or whatever you are.



i hope byu beats the crap out of notre dame. notre dame's elitist attitude is nauseating to me.



for your info our injuries are



anae (starter offensive lineman)

reynolds (starting offensive lineman)

mathews (starging offensive lineman)

apo (quasi starting receiver)

mathews (receiver, backup)

falslev (punt returner, starting receir)

alisa (starting running back)



defense

kanuch (starting d tackle)

jorgenson (back up linebacker)

hadly (starting linebacker)

trammel (starting cornerback)

johnson (starting cornerback)

hanneman (2nd string cornerback)

peoples (dtackle)



no excuses hear. Beat the domers who are afraid they are going to lose to lowly byu!
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