Glad you're enjoying the ride. As am I. Is "enjoying the ride" the new excuse for not understanding basketball all that well, though?craigoscarson:
With very few exceptions, your posts are very well thought out, and I appreciate your insight. My opinion is that no-one should ever make accusations without being able to back them up. "I'm not going to dig through your posts" is a cop-out, and italics owes you an apology.
I might have been a little nervous last night, but I enjoyed seeing the Cougars win despite the laughable commentary by the Weber State radio team. I am definitely enjoying the ride.
This is a sports forum, people are going to share their opinions/insights/support/frustrations regarding the team.
If you don't have any better retort than "well I'M enjoying the ride," just don't even bother. At least Craig usually backs up his opinions with logic - I doubt his feelings are hurt when I disagree with him on something, and I doubt he demands an apology.
There are times I agonize over posts, or even delete them after I've proofread my post because 1. I'll rethink my point and see it as baseless 2. I'll see my post as something that brings nothing to the thread 3. Or I'll even put my post on hold until I can do more homework on it. Not because I care what others think, but because I care about what I think and that my info and argument is sound. Sometimes, I'm still wrong, we all are at times; and when I am, I'll take my lumps.
What I cannot and do not tolerate are people that argue for arguments sake or partially or completely dismiss the truth to make an argument. I personally think they look worse when they do that. It's been Mars m.o. for years and when things get heated and italics, you have a tendency to do that; which is what happened in this case. You created an argument out of nothing, and specifically called me out for something that never happened. No one knows my posts better than I do, and I knew from the second I read your post that it was a baseless blatant lie. (read above if you can't remember when I posted the donation post... you dont' even have to read hard as it was before the season ever started and had nothing to do with performance or the 2 qb system, which I was veritably silent about.)
People are entitled to their opinion and on a forum like this people are entitled to post their opinion. If they disagree, big deal; do your best to persuade them to why you think they way you do, but at the end of the day, inventing or completely twisting someones words to deflect criticism of your argument is low class. I've been blessed (or cursed) with an off the charts good memory. It's served me well at times (particularly on exams, clinical settings, and trivial pursuit- though my relatives refuse to play it with me now) and other times , I use it too often in ways that look like, "I told you so." My wife hates it when i'll bring up something from years back that we talked about and she knows I remember word for word the conversation, but she neither remembers the discussion nor cares. I assure you, that I remember my posts on this forum and my posts on cb; in fact I remember many of my posts on cougar-net when i was no more than a snot-nose 20 something like you. (and yes I was a lot more outspoken then too, so I understand)
Italics, I'm glad you have passion for BYU sports, I really am. We need more fans that are willing to scream, yell, pound the seats, and show up for games. But, even though some of us are lawyers on this forum (I'm not but I have an Ivy League educated one in my family so I know the drill) arguments on this forum are not life or death, win or lose. There are people that would deliberately take a point or idea that they don't believe in just to argue the other side (like my brother) but I don't really see that as the point here. I see this forum as a way to celebrate and get informed on everything BYU... and yes there will be times to rant and get upset about what happens on the field of play... but we need to keep a perspective. This is a golden age of BYU sports that we haven't seen since the 80s and if we dont' celebrate that, then I think we just come off as unrealistic and unappreciative pricks.
There are times to do something or say something unpopular (I thought so when others suggested we leave the mwc in spite of palatable tv concessions, in which i said that not only is that a bad idea, but I would consider stopping donation to BYU if they did something like that..) But the key words there are important too; "in spite" "palatable" "concessions" that's what was important and some read it and got it and others didn't and thought they could use that post as future ammo on a completely unrelated thread.... which is where we are now...
If the key words from this thread are "we aren't as good as we could be" "we still have issues with consistency" "we might not be as good as our record" then I think not only do the vast majority agree, but they're concerned too. However, the delivery of that message comes off as "we're not very good" "we have nothing to celebrate" and "if you disagree with me, you don't know anything about collge hoops."
I can assure you that is as far from the truth as can be and there are guys that frequent this forum that have years and years of college basktball experience. There are guys that have officiated college hoops on this forum, guys that have worked in a D1 college program (like me), and even guys that have played college hoops on this forum (I know Jeremiah Hartsock -brother of Noah and a college player himself) lurks and I know that Greg Rose -brother of Mike) lurk because they talk to me about posts here.)
I'd say the vast majority of people that frequent this forum do so for information about the team they love and care about. Most steer clear of the angry, "we suck" threads because they don't help BYU and they rarely, if ever, offer a solution to the problem. This would be one of those threads, and I think that those like iowacougar are saying a lot less than they're thinking when they simply say, "I'm enjoying the ride."
If you spend too much time complaining you might miss it too. We're not getting Jimmer or Jax back after this year; once in a while we need to celebrate them while we have them.
Statistics: Posted by craigoscarson — Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:29 am
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