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Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T11:54:44-06:00

So I keep seeing this online: "NCAA rules state that a conference must have at least six teams with five years of playing experience together, so the remaining five big twelve teams would likely have to separate to find homes."

Is there any reason why the Mountain West can't merge into the Big Twelve and dissolve the Mountain West? The Mountain West would provide the 6 teams of five years playing experience together.

I'm not sure I like the idea, but is this a possibility?

6 teams together for 5 years WITH BCS ELIBIGIBILITY the MWC can't offer that, we've never had auto eligibility.

If Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State, Baylor, and Kansas State (say they talked Colorado out of the Pac 10 or kept Texas Tech ) could convince another team from the Big 12 to stay... they''d still be a BCS conference... just a terrible one... worse than the Big East..

and Missouri, Kansas, Iowa State , Baylor,and Kstate might be fine with that considering their other options (i.e. desperation)... but they can't find a partner that desperate from the remains that agrees.

If they could do that, then add TCU, BYU, Utah and 1 of the conf USA Memphis/Tulsa/Houston... they have a respectable conference; BUT would the MWC teams leave the comfort of a conference they basically run to a risky conference where Missouri and Kansas would want to call all the shots (keep in mind that TCU wants nothing to do with Baylor)? probably not, especially if they fear the BCS will crumble and go to a playoff system... why pursue something that might not even be there in 5 years?

Now if the MWC believes that they'll get the BCS autobid that the Big 12 vacates by disbanding as as soon as 2011... they have too much to gain by watching that conference disintegrate. I assure you that the MWC presidents will pursue every avenue to pick up the scraps and claim their territory. Whether the BCS recognizes it or not will be another issue. It is precisely why the MWC invited Boise State to strengthen our claim and why this thread will be such a topic of conversation and speculation if the Big 12 folds.

Statistics: Posted by craigoscarson — Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:54 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T11:49:30-06:00

So I keep seeing this online: "NCAA rules state that a conference must have at least six teams with five years of playing experience together, so the remaining five big twelve teams would likely have to separate to find homes."

Is there any reason why the Mountain West can't merge into the Big Twelve and dissolve the Mountain West? The Mountain West would provide the 6 teams of five years playing experience together.

I'm not sure I like the idea, but is this a possibility?

Statistics: Posted by Jarhead — Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:49 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T11:14:32-06:00

While I do agree with the above, that the big conferences would likely push to destroy the BCS and create a new system;
USC has some chinks in the armor (and has no post season chances.. does Lane Kiffin really not redshirt his freshmen studs? why waste them on a lame duck season?),

I have had this fear from the beginning the scenario about creating a new system because of the super conferences and now the "playoff" they would have would give them even more power to exclude the non AQ schools.

Good point about USC redshirting all his freshmen, but he may not have the luxury to do it if there are enough juniors and seniors that jump ship, he may have to play his freshmen.

Statistics: Posted by blue42 — Sat Jun 12, 2010 11:14 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T10:47:01-06:00

While I do agree with the above, that the big conferences would likely push to destroy the BCS and create a new system; I think that they'd be on very thin ice to attempt to exclude the MWC, particularly if TCU and BSU make national championship caliber pushes this year. (and both could do it since they're not playing each other)

The MWC will get credit for what Boise does this next season, in spite of not having to compete with us; the Pac 16 schools might not have a front runner. USC has some chinks in the armor (and has no post season chances.. does Lane Kiffin really not redshirt his freshmen studs? why waste them on a lame duck season?), Oklahoma is rebuilding, Texas is going to be strong, but is rebuilding some positions (in fact Nebraska and Missouri might have the most talent in the current Big 12), and there's not a single Pac 10 team that can survive their schedules.

Boise and TCU have a really good shot at being in the top 4-5 (or better) all season.

How do you exclude the MWC if Boise and TCU make NC runs next season and every team in the future Pac 16 finishes behind them? (think we can talk the Colts into letting TCU have Jerry Hughes back for a post grad year?)

If there ever was a year for all MWC teams to pull out all stops and win their OOC games, it'd be this upcoming season. We can cash in on all this upheaval. Nebraska and Missouri could also help make a mess (they'll both be very good next season)

Statistics: Posted by craigoscarson — Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:47 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T10:38:19-06:00

The BCS folds and a new entity takes its place.

This is what I think will happen.

Except the new BS entity will be run by virtually the same people, in virtually the same places. Sounds like Iran changing ship names to avoid UN embargoes. Why the hell not?

Statistics: Posted by CougarClaw — Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:38 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T10:23:50-06:00

I think that Texas and a new PAC-16 argues that it should have 2 automatic bids. And with Texas, and not now-disgraced USC calling the shots in the PAC-16, my money is on Texas.
Then at that point, the MWC has grounds for a mega $ lawsuit... once the BCS gave the mwc criteria and paperwork to join, they also entered into a contractual type of agreement. If the MWC meets that criteria and the BCS claims that the rules hacve changed, then there will be lawyers all over this.

Once the dust settles, the MWC needs to petition for an exclusion and threaten litigation if they dont' accept.
I believe you meant to say IN-clusion--I doubt the BCS would refuse a petition for EX-clusion.

no, the petition was for an exclusion to the BCS criteria if we're close (read the entire paragraph)... which we've been discussing on this forum. (law students....) which in this case is the only way an exclusion would be something favorable....

I'll forgive you this time Brad, my baby brother is a Cornell educated silicon valley attorney (wilson sonsini) and he thought he was a know-it-all during law school too Course, all I have to do is discuss neurophysiology around him and he shuts up.

Statistics: Posted by craigoscarson — Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:23 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T09:52:47-06:00

I think that Texas and a new PAC-16 argues that it should have 2 automatic bids. And with Texas, and not now-disgraced USC calling the shots in the PAC-16, my money is on Texas.
Then at that point, the MWC has grounds for a mega $ lawsuit... once the BCS gave the mwc criteria and paperwork to join, they also entered into a contractual type of agreement. If the MWC meets that criteria and the BCS claims that the rules hacve changed, then there will be lawyers all over this.

Once the dust settles, the MWC needs to petition for an exclusion and threaten litigation if they dont' accept.

I believe you meant to say IN-clusion--I doubt the BCS would refuse a petition for EX-clusion.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:52 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T09:46:36-06:00

The BCS folds and a new entity takes its place.

Statistics: Posted by scott715 — Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:46 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T09:37:37-06:00

I think that Texas and a new PAC-16 argues that it should have 2 automatic bids. And with Texas, and not now-disgraced USC calling the shots in the PAC-16, my money is on Texas.

Then at that point, the MWC has grounds for a mega $ lawsuit... once the BCS gave the mwc criteria and paperwork to join, they also entered into a contractual type of agreement. If the MWC meets that criteria and the BCS claims that the rules hacve changed, then there will be lawyers all over this.

Once the dust settles, the MWC needs to petition for an exclusion and threaten litigation if they dont' accept.

Statistics: Posted by craigoscarson — Sat Jun 12, 2010 9:37 am

Re: Do we need anything more for BCS invite if the Big 12 fo

2010-06-12T04:30:48-06:00

I think that Texas and a new PAC-16 argues that it should have 2 automatic bids. And with Texas, and not now-disgraced USC calling the shots in the PAC-16, my money is on Texas.

Statistics: Posted by CAFB_04-12 — Sat Jun 12, 2010 4:30 am