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Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-12T14:42:40-06:00

I signed the petition to get Mitt Romney on the ballot. I appreciate the fact that I can have a say on who shows up on the ballot and who I can vote for without having to be a part of the Caucus system.

Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:42 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-12T14:29:50-06:00

A guy I didn't know existed until yesterday just has too much ground to make up.
Whaaaaaaaa? No way.

I suspect Mr. Larry Meyer just has an itch he wants to scratch. It's a pretty tall order to upset Mitt Romney in Utah. Not going to happen. Let's be honest. Not even Hillary and her vaunted organization and massive war chest could upset Mitt Romney in Utah in a political race in Utah.

I hope Mr. Meyers enjoys the ride. It will be short and hopefully sweet for him. One of life's experiences he can tell stories about.
To be fair, Utah does have a history of darkhorse candidates unseating or coming close to unseating powerful and popular incumbents.

- Mike Lee took out Bob Bennet in 2010.
- Dan Liljenquist came within 50 votes of topping Orrin Hatch at the 2012 convention (but it was close enough to force a pimary and Liljenquist lost 64%-33% in the primary, illustration how much "safer" your primary voters are than convention delegates)
- Jonathan Johnson (who should have thrown his hat in the ring this year for Hatch's seat, but has waited too long) beat sitting Governor Gary Herbert at convention in 2016 by 11 points, but Herbert was the first to use the new alternate path to the primary, gathered signatures, and beat Johnson 73%-26% with primary voters.

It used to be plausible for upstarts to upstage the establishment in Utah, but with the new alternate path to a statewide primary (supported by out-of-state establishment dollars), it's now a herculean task to unseat an incumbent, name-recognition, or well-funded establishment candidate.
What in the world is the purpose of this "alternative path"? That sounds like politics at its worst. Talk about needing term limits.

the alternative to the traditional path is to petition directly to be on the primary ballot so all registered Republicans have a voice instead of only the hardcore wonks chosen to go to the convention. FWIW, a few years ago (I think 2012) the church strongly encouraged the members in Utah to attend their neighborhood meetings so the convention would be less likely controlled by the extremes.

Statistics: Posted by BlueK — Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:29 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T19:14:40-06:00

A guy I didn't know existed until yesterday just has too much ground to make up.
Whaaaaaaaa? No way.

I suspect Mr. Larry Meyer just has an itch he wants to scratch. It's a pretty tall order to upset Mitt Romney in Utah. Not going to happen. Let's be honest. Not even Hillary and her vaunted organization and massive war chest could upset Mitt Romney in Utah in a political race in Utah.

I hope Mr. Meyers enjoys the ride. It will be short and hopefully sweet for him. One of life's experiences he can tell stories about.
To be fair, Utah does have a history of darkhorse candidates unseating or coming close to unseating powerful and popular incumbents.

- Mike Lee took out Bob Bennet in 2010.
- Dan Liljenquist came within 50 votes of topping Orrin Hatch at the 2012 convention (but it was close enough to force a pimary and Liljenquist lost 64%-33% in the primary, illustration how much "safer" your primary voters are than convention delegates)
- Jonathan Johnson (who should have thrown his hat in the ring this year for Hatch's seat, but has waited too long) beat sitting Governor Gary Herbert at convention in 2016 by 11 points, but Herbert was the first to use the new alternate path to the primary, gathered signatures, and beat Johnson 73%-26% with primary voters.

It used to be plausible for upstarts to upstage the establishment in Utah, but with the new alternate path to a statewide primary (supported by out-of-state establishment dollars), it's now a herculean task to unseat an incumbent, name-recognition, or well-funded establishment candidate.

What in the world is the purpose of this "alternative path"? That sounds like politics at its worst. Talk about needing term limits.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:14 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T18:09:34-06:00

A guy I didn't know existed until yesterday just has too much ground to make up.
Whaaaaaaaa? No way.

I suspect Mr. Larry Meyer just has an itch he wants to scratch. It's a pretty tall order to upset Mitt Romney in Utah. Not going to happen. Let's be honest. Not even Hillary and her vaunted organization and massive war chest could upset Mitt Romney in Utah in a political race in Utah.

I hope Mr. Meyers enjoys the ride. It will be short and hopefully sweet for him. One of life's experiences he can tell stories about.

To be fair, Utah does have a history of darkhorse candidates unseating or coming close to unseating powerful and popular incumbents.

- Mike Lee took out Bob Bennet in 2010.
- Dan Liljenquist came within 50 votes of topping Orrin Hatch at the 2012 convention (but it was close enough to force a pimary and Liljenquist lost 64%-33% in the primary, illustration how much "safer" your primary voters are than convention delegates)
- Jonathan Johnson (who should have thrown his hat in the ring this year for Hatch's seat, but has waited too long) beat sitting Governor Gary Herbert at convention in 2016 by 11 points, but Herbert was the first to use the new alternate path to the primary, gathered signatures, and beat Johnson 73%-26% with primary voters.

It used to be plausible for upstarts to upstage the establishment in Utah, but with the new alternate path to a statewide primary (supported by out-of-state establishment dollars), it's now a herculean task to unseat an incumbent, name-recognition, or well-funded establishment candidate.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Thu Mar 08, 2018 6:09 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T17:55:17-06:00

A guy I didn't know existed until yesterday just has too much ground to make up.

Whaaaaaaaa? No way.

I suspect Mr. Larry Meyer just has an itch he wants to scratch. It's a pretty tall order to upset Mitt Romney in Utah. Not going to happen. Let's be honest. Not even Hillary and her vaunted organization and massive war chest could upset Mitt Romney in Utah in a political race in Utah.

I hope Mr. Meyers enjoys the ride. It will be short and hopefully sweet for him. One of life's experiences he can tell stories about.

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:55 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T17:40:23-06:00

Found it. Here ya go - basically 100 days to go.

"Help Larry Beat Massachusetts Mitt–DONATE NOW"
"Don’t Restock the DC Swamp!"

https://meyersforsenate.com

Here's the problem with any challenger to Mitt--they've got 44 days to the nominating convention to build a brand and secure a win there from the caucus delegate.

However, that's not enough--Mitt is also gathering signatures to ensure a primary even if he loses at convention, so a challenger can't just defeat Mitt at the convention and expect to win the primary as well--the primary is open to all registered voters, and name recognition has much MUCH greater impact in a statewide primary than a nominating convention with the die-hards. A challenger has to drub Mitt at convention so soundly that Mitt is forced to withdraw from the primary with his tail between his legs, and that's a very high hurdle.

A guy I didn't know existed until yesterday just has too much ground to make up. It'll take a real ringer to cross that threshold.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:40 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T17:32:09-06:00

Found it. Here ya go - basically 100 days to go.

"Help Larry Beat Massachusetts Mitt–DONATE NOW"
"Don’t Restock the DC Swamp!"

https://meyersforsenate.com

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:32 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T17:28:56-06:00

It will be interesting to see if Mr. Meyers can make it a horse race. I suspect not. Just based on the overwhelming name recognition Mitt Romney enjoys, and the war chest difference. It will be interested in seeing the angle of attack ads Mr. Meyers uses.

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:28 pm

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-03-08T09:22:31-06:00

Alright. We have a contender.
Larry Meyers from St. George.
Good luck to him, from what I've seen on his twitter account, I'd vote for him over romney in a heartbeat.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Thu Mar 08, 2018 9:22 am

Re: Utahns, how excited are you about Mitt Romney

2018-02-28T10:48:38-06:00

Someone like Romney is exactly what the country needs right now in the Senate.

Statistics: Posted by BlueK — Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:48 am