Statistics: Posted by KingCoug — Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:15 pm
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Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:43 pm
You take a pretty hard tone in some of your posts. Sometimes it has been the Church's fault that people leave. You must remember, it's a case by case basis. There are all kinds of disturbing examples.Or, even worse, they suggest members leaving is somehow the Church's fault.
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Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:28 pm
First, are you just comparing Prop 8 itself to the Priesthood ban or are you comparing the Church's entire doctrine on homosexuality to the Priesthood ban? That you admit that homosexual acts are a sin would suggest the former but I want to be clear. And, yes, SSA must be an incredible challenge. One only the Lord can ultimately judge. The problem is when people, including some misguided members, think it's the Church that came up with the doctrine when it's the Lord Himself. In other words, it's the Lord who asks members with SSA to carry that cross, not just a bunch of old, out of touch guys at the top of the Church who can change it if they want to. Kindness and love are certainly in order but so is the understanding that the doctrine is not going to change nor should it.As Boise notes, youth suicide is suddenly a huge trend in the Western States for whatever reason. Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Idaho, Wyoming, Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, and Colorado. So it's not exactly correlated to religious or non-religious, conservative or liberal.
I also agree that the Church has done a good job with the historical essays on their website about tough issues. That's what makes it so easy to compare Prop 8 to Blacks and the Priesthood, the fact that the Church admits that sometimes, they make mistakes, and just plain get things wrong.
The difference is that homosexual acts are a sin, and being black isn't, obviously. But at the same time there's no known "cure" for homosexuality. It's basically a death-sentence sin some people are born with hidden in their DNA, with no chance for parole until sometime after this life is over. That's tough. The more kind and loving we can be with people suffering that fate, IMO, the better. I can't even imagine how hard that must be.
Even if Prop 8 had never happened, don't think for a minute they wouldn't have found plenty of other reasons to attack the Church. Anyone who reads the news has seen case after case where they're just looking for a fight and to squash whoever doesn't agree with them. And this should be no surprise to anyone who reads the scriptures where it's taught that Satan will rage in the hearts of men and stir them up to anger against that which is good.To me, I see Prop 8 as somewhat similar to the Nauvoo Expositor. Mobs only need a reason to assemble and march. It doesn't need to be a good reason; just A reason.
The mob in/around Carthage & Nauvoo wanted Joseph Smith dead. But they needed him in custody so they knew where to get him without him being able to escape. When he decided to destroy the Expositor they had their excuse to lock him up. Destroying that printing press was a mistake that cost Smith his life. His reasons for doing so, while probably justified to his and Mormons' minds led to his death/assassination/martyrdom.
Prop 8, while joining it made sense to religiously minded individuals (almost every religion worked together to oppose it) it gave the LGBTQ "mob" their reason to march against the Church. It gave the mob the evidence of the Church's hatred and bigotry and discriminatory inclinations towards people of that persuasion.
Statistics: Posted by KingCoug — Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:03 pm