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Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-28T20:01:36-06:00

True. And it's Sitake.

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Thu Sep 28, 2017 8:01 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-28T12:11:09-06:00

Kalani was already a college football coach, and he was already out recruiting, so it's not like he was at home on the couch the 10 months prior. He already had targets and relationships, he just had to convince them to swap along with him to Provo. So I'll count it, especially since transfers can come long after signing day, but I understand those who might not.

The problem with your statement is that, while the head coach "closes" the top recruits, most recruiting is done by the assistant coaches. The problem BYU has in having hired assistant coaches that have no college experience or had not been coaching at the college level for several years, is those new assistants were not out recruiting for another school. More importantly, they hadn't developed the pipelines with coaches at the top high school football programs that produce a lot of college level recruits. So in fairness to Sataki, he had a very major handicap in recruiting during his first recruiting season.

Of course, he's responsible for this problem since he hired those assistants. And the years it takes his current assistants to develop those pipelines is going to delay any turnaround at BYU for at least a couple extra years.

Statistics: Posted by Woody3715 — Thu Sep 28, 2017 12:11 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-28T11:20:57-06:00

Kalani was already a college football coach, and he was already out recruiting, so it's not like he was at home on the couch the 10 months prior. He already had targets and relationships, he just had to convince them to swap along with him to Provo. So I'll count it, especially since transfers can come long after signing day, but I understand those who might not.

I get that. But this conversation (and our interaction) has been on the offensive side of the ball. He was a DC so obviously his focus was on the defensive side of the ball, making contacts there. The defense isn't in dire straits, the offense is. Our OC was in Texas courting 15 and 16 year olds to come to his high school at the time of his hire, so yeah... I don't count it.

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Thu Sep 28, 2017 11:20 am

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-28T01:46:52-06:00

Kalani was already a college football coach, and he was already out recruiting, so it's not like he was at home on the couch the 10 months prior. He already had targets and relationships, he just had to convince them to swap along with him to Provo. So I'll count it, especially since transfers can come long after signing day, but I understand those who might not.

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:46 am

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-27T23:49:53-06:00

Depends on your definition. Bronco left before the bowl game, so Kalani had about 2 months before the kids signed with him.

So you are counting the time that he wasn't even at BYU as time that he should have been recruiting?

Makes sense.

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For those keeping score, Kalani was hired December 19, which is 46 days before NLI signing day (February 3rd, 2016).

46 days (less if you include holidays and quiet and dead periods) to try and get a full roster of recruits especially tailored to your new offense, which requires completely different personnel?

Also considering that most of these guys have verballed to a team for months now, and that you have almost zero game time to go and watch them play. How much football is played in January in Utah? (The answer is none).

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:49 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-27T23:47:14-06:00

We don't have the right horses. Our offensive lineman can't run block, and are getting beat play after play on straight four man rushes.

You can't run a pro offense if you can't run. You completely maim the playaction if defenses don't respect your running ability and play a man with zone on top.
Kalani has had 2 recruiting classes at BYU. He has been touted as a recruiting guru. Why then are the players on the team getting worse, instead of better? And does he not recruit linemen?

He has had one, unless you count the time he got made a head coach late, and stepped in a few weeks before players signed their NLI's, and most had already committed well up to that point.

I don't.

He does recruit lineman. The Freshman he recruited are either on missions, or on the two deep.

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:47 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-27T21:01:52-06:00

We don't have the right horses. Our offensive lineman can't run block, and are getting beat play after play on straight four man rushes.

You can't run a pro offense if you can't run. You completely maim the playaction if defenses don't respect your running ability and play a man with zone on top.
Kalani has had 2 recruiting classes at BYU. He has been touted as a recruiting guru. Why then are the players on the team getting worse, instead of better? And does he not recruit linemen?
I wanna say I agree, but has he really had 2 full recruiting classes? For the first one wasn't he a brand new coach and those were recruits already offered by Bronco?

By all traditional counting he's had 2 full recruiting classes. He had more time than most new head coaches get for their first recruiting class. Now, being at BYU, with the mission thing, that means his first recruits should start coming home right before next season.

Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Wed Sep 27, 2017 9:01 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-27T19:57:49-06:00

Depends on your definition. Bronco left before the bowl game, so Kalani had about 2 months before the kids signed with him.

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:57 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-27T19:47:36-06:00

We don't have the right horses. Our offensive lineman can't run block, and are getting beat play after play on straight four man rushes.

You can't run a pro offense if you can't run. You completely maim the playaction if defenses don't respect your running ability and play a man with zone on top.
Kalani has had 2 recruiting classes at BYU. He has been touted as a recruiting guru. Why then are the players on the team getting worse, instead of better? And does he not recruit linemen?

I wanna say I agree, but has he really had 2 full recruiting classes? For the first one wasn't he a brand new coach and those were recruits already offered by Bronco?

Statistics: Posted by byufan4ever — Wed Sep 27, 2017 7:47 pm

Re: Highlight of my concern about the offense

2017-09-27T12:18:39-06:00

We don't have the right horses. Our offensive lineman can't run block, and are getting beat play after play on straight four man rushes.

You can't run a pro offense if you can't run. You completely maim the playaction if defenses don't respect your running ability and play a man with zone on top.

Kalani has had 2 recruiting classes at BYU. He has been touted as a recruiting guru. Why then are the players on the team getting worse, instead of better? And does he not recruit linemen?

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:18 pm