CougarCorner

Re: courage

2017-10-06T10:18:46-06:00

What a pile of steaming horse manure. Cops are more likely to arrest blacks because they have more run ins with blacks. And they have more run ins with blacks because blacks commit more crimes, especially relative to their percentage of the population.

Go back and look at the link I posted earlier in this thread. It cites more than enough evidence through past and recent studies which show that, even allowing for some bias in the criminal justice system, there is no explaining away the facts when it comes to blacks and crime. Anyone who says otherwise, including you, is in denial or has an agenda.

I read it (the only thing you cited was the dailywire article that I can tell). We can cherry pick a few crimes which blacks commit more than whites including homicides, but the number of people in prison for homicide represent a small percentage of the prison population.

That doesn't negate the fact that blacks are arrested at higher rates given the incidence of drug use for every single drug. You're absolutely correct that cops have more run ins with blacks, but there is no way you can argue that blacks use marijuana, or any other drug for that matter, yet the arrest rates are 3-4 times that of whites. And the prisons certainly have a higher population of drug users than murderers or anything else.

That is not equality before the law.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:18 am

Re: courage

2017-10-06T09:55:17-06:00

I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.
With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.
Oh you read my post. You just have no argument and want to stick your head in the sand while you're wrapped up in an American flag. I'll take real freedom over any symbol of freedom any day.
Ohhhh - the whining "know it all" is now telepathic.

1. No, I did not read your post. You offer nothing.
2. You are a whining anti-American spoiled brat.
3. You are an anti-military spoiled brat enjoying the freedom that they bought with their blood and flesh.
4. You are a whining anti-police spoiled brat that enjoys the sta-bility and and safety they provide.
5. You have never served in the military or worked as a cop. You have no idea the commitment and price that is paid for you to malign and attack these folks. You are the lowest form in ingrate. You enjoy the freedom and security these folks provide while you sir comfortably in from t of your computer and attack them endlessly. You are a whining snowflake puke.

Have a nice night.

I am for equality before the law. That is all.

I'll remove the part about you having the U next to your name if it will assuage your delicate sensitivities and get you to read the post outlining ways in which blacks are not treated equally before the law. It's up to you to decide whether you'll continue to hide behind the last refuge of scoundrels - patriotism, or address the shortcomings of the police state we have here in America which results in the highest incarceration rates in the world.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Fri Oct 06, 2017 9:55 am

Re: courage

2017-10-05T23:44:53-06:00

I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.
With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.
Oh you read my post. You just have no argument and want to stick your head in the sand while you're wrapped up in an American flag. I'll take real freedom over any symbol of freedom any day.

Ohhhh - the whining "know it all" is now telepathic.

1. No, I did not read your post. You offer nothing.
2. You are a whining anti-American spoiled brat.
3. You are an anti-military spoiled brat enjoying the freedom that they bought with their blood and flesh.
4. You are a whining anti-police spoiled brat that enjoys the sta-bility and and safety they provide.
5. You have never served in the military or worked as a cop. You have no idea the commitment and price that is paid for you to malign and attack these folks. You are the lowest form in ingrate. You enjoy the freedom and security these folks provide while you sir comfortably in from t of your computer and attack them endlessly. You are a whining snowflake puke.

Have a nice night.

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:44 pm

Re: courage

2017-10-05T22:25:47-06:00

What a pile of steaming horse manure. Cops are more likely to arrest blacks because they have more run ins with blacks. And they have more run ins with blacks because blacks commit more crimes, especially relative to their percentage of the population.

Go back and look at the link I posted earlier in this thread. It cites more than enough evidence through past and recent studies which show that, even allowing for some bias in the criminal justice system, there is no explaining away the facts when it comes to blacks and crime. Anyone who says otherwise, including you, is in denial or has an agenda.

Statistics: Posted by KingCoug — Thu Oct 05, 2017 10:25 pm

Re: courage

2017-10-05T15:40:39-06:00

Blacks are . . . less likely to hire attorneys that appropriately represent them among other reasons.
....and with that you just undercut the persuasive strength of all of your arguments after "arrest rate".

Not to mention that most of the statistical discrepancies between whites/blacks/hispanics disappear when you control for income level.

The justice system isn't racist -- it's biased in favor of wealth.

If you're an upper middle class guy, regardless of race, and you're caught with weed, you're just going to get a warning most of the time. If you do happen to get cited, you're going to hire an attorney who gets paid the more they work on your case as opposed to a public defender who is probably not as experienced and more overworked. The hired attorney needs to provide a positive outcome to build that resume and build an image that leads to more paying clients. The public defender just wants to clear cases.

You certainly have some argument that wealth buys more equality before the law, but the reason prosecutors overcharge blacks is not solely due to wealth - there are plenty of multivariate analyses evaluating that. Being black, for whatever reason you like, is an independent risk factor for a greater number of charges, more severe charges, greater likelihood of loss in either bench or jury trials (jury trials are especially bad for blacks regardless of the racial composition of the jury), and harsher sentencing.

But forget all of that, the guys wearing badges who are 3.7 times more likely to arrest blacks also happen to have an American flag on their shoulder. This leads directly to the highest incarceration rate of blacks anywhere in the world. Is it any wonder some blacks don't see that symbol on the cops' shoulder as a symbol of freedom?

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:40 pm

Re: courage

2017-10-05T15:28:55-06:00

I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.
With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.

Oh you read my post. You just have no argument and want to stick your head in the sand while you're wrapped up in an American flag. I'll take real freedom over any symbol of freedom any day.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:28 pm

Re: courage

2017-10-05T13:42:06-06:00

Blacks are . . . less likely to hire attorneys that appropriately represent them among other reasons.

....and with that you just undercut the persuasive strength of all of your arguments after "arrest rate".

Not to mention that most of the statistical discrepancies between whites/blacks/hispanics disappear when you control for income level.

The justice system isn't racist -- it's biased in favor of wealth.

If you're an upper middle class guy, regardless of race, and you're caught with weed, you're just going to get a warning most of the time. If you do happen to get cited, you're going to hire an attorney who gets paid the more they work on your case as opposed to a public defender who is probably not as experienced and more overworked. The hired attorney needs to provide a positive outcome to build that resume and build an image that leads to more paying clients. The public defender just wants to clear cases.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:42 pm

Re: courage

2017-10-05T11:24:26-06:00

I don't expect anyone with a U next to their name to understand this but here you go.

With a moronic comment like that I won't even read your post.
Shows what a biased child you are.
Buh-bye.

Statistics: Posted by Ddawg — Thu Oct 05, 2017 11:24 am

Re: courage

2017-10-06T09:44:32-06:00

Look at Marijuana use and ultimate incarceration. The data are that whites use Marijuana at a about the same rate as blacks so for every 5 whites, one black uses marijuana. In our current criminal "justice" system this is how more blacks would end up in prison than whites.

Let's start with 1000 whites who use marijuana and 200 blacks and evaluate the reasons more blacks end up in prison than whites.

First arrest rate
Blacks are 3.73 times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession so assuming an arrest rate of 10% for whites (this works for whatever arrest rate you choose) you have 100 whites arrested and 74 blacks arrested.

Next convictions
Blacks are 1.3 times more likely to be convicted of crimes after arrest than are whites. Assume a 50% conviction rate for whites and you have a 65% conviction rate for blacks.
So 50 whites convicted and 48 blacks convicted.

Next sentencing
Blacks in Cook county Illinois are sentenced to incarceration 51% of the time while whites are convicted 38% of the time. Assuming whites and blacks are sentenced to similar amounts of time (blacks in general receive sentences 67% longer than whites in Florida prisons for identical crimes) that leaves us with 19 whites and 24 blacks in prison even though 5 times as many whites commit the same crime.

Obviously this is just one example of the problem with several stages of the so called "justice" system (and the actual arrest rate and conviction rates are almost certainly off but the ratios and resultant disparities are correct).

There are multiple reasons these things happen in the system that result in injustice and blacks have cause to call into question their disparate treatment primarily by cops, but the small disparities in each stage by prosecutors, juries, and judges can result in very large disparities in imprisonment.

That's reason enough for me not to question anyone's refusal to accept the American flag as a symbol of freedom. Many blacks see the flag on the shoulders and standing behind the backs of people who do not treat them equally before the law and therefore see the flag as a symbol of oppression rather than freedom.

How to fix it? Colin Kaepernik and and I are actually doing the wrong thing in bringing the disparities to the attention of the public. A Stanford study showed that bringing the racial disparities in prison populations (along with the disparities in arrests, convictions, and sentencing) to light actually increases support for harsher penalties that disproportionately effect blacks. Some studies have shown that directly addressing these disparities with police, prosecutors, and judges (but not jurors), has a short term effect on these disparities.

I support decriminalization of drug offenses but that only decreases the raw numbers and has been shown to have no effect or little effect on ratios of arrests, convictions or sentencing.

Remove the incentive to disproportionately arrest, convict, and sentence blacks. A lot of this has to do with incarcerating the easiest marks. Cops, prosecutors and judges are evaluated by how well their arrests, convictions, and judgments/sentencing are upheld. Blacks are easy marks, they're less likely to hire attorneys that appropriately represent them among other reasons.

Statistics: Posted by jvquarterback — Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:28 am

Re: courage

2017-10-05T09:14:46-06:00

We have another example of courage, or in this case loyalty. One of the Las Vegas shooting victims was visited by our president and his wife. She told him not to stand but stand he did, even though his wound was in his leg. The news reported that he said, "Shot in the leg or not, I'm standing for my president."

Statistics: Posted by nuk13 — Thu Oct 05, 2017 9:14 am