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Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-19T12:33:08-06:00

I know a lot of people has been saying our D line isn't very good, or they don't get pressure on the QB. I would agree to that partially. I haven't gone back and watched to Wisconsin game, but I rewatch the Utah game and during that game they rushed only 3 many times, I think it was 16-17 times. Most of those times they only showed a 3 man front. Against Utah they effectively shut down everyone except the QB, he accounted for almost all of the offense. Even BYU's D line didn't get any sacks they certainly smacked him hard a few times, they were just a step late. I actually think both lines played well.

Now against Wisconsin, the whole D had fits because their backs were so good. They never went down after 1st or 2nd contact. BYU did suck at getting pressure on their QB, but the rest of the D mostly played zone from what I saw, and they were stuck playing their area and not anticipating someone coming into their zone and therefore Wisconsin's receivers were pretty much wide open all game long.

Statistics: Posted by blue42 — Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:33 pm

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T16:24:40-06:00

Both of our first-time coordinators are in over their heads this year. Detmer can't adjust his offense to his players, and Tuiaki can't adjust to the opposing offense by changing up plays and keeping the opposing O guessing.

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Mon Sep 18, 2017 4:24 pm

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T14:52:40-06:00

Fair questions.

Another explanation is that we're hiding the playbook against teams where we're clearly outmatched. But that has me bothered because it is us capitulating for losses, and who would we be holding back for? UNLV?

Last possibility is that Tuiaki doesn't have confidence in the ability of the D to run anything but base. But of course, that would belie poor coaching in an inability to install anything more than basic base defense over the last 21 months.

While I get that some want to withhold judgment comparing Sitake and Mendenhall, what I don't think is in doubt is that Mendenhall>>Tuiaki as a defensive play caller. Still, Mendenhall took time to grow into that role, though he started out at the other end of the risk-taking spectrum and dialed it back a bit over time.

Statistics: Posted by CrimsonCoug — Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:52 pm

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T12:52:17-06:00

Greg also stated in post game that TakiTaki caused four holding penalties which he thought was as good as 4 sacks. And Wisc got away with a number of other holds on Taki.
Which makes me wonder, while in agreement with most thoughts on this thread--
1. Does Tuiaki just think that TakiTaki's rushing ability is good enough of a threat that he doesn't need any other pressure or isn't willing to sacrifice his Swiss cheese zone coverage.
2. Has our passing O looked "good enough" against our suspect pass D in practice and scrimmage such that Tanner and the pass O looked "good enough" and significant changes just weren't necessary?

Statistics: Posted by Cougs_Rule — Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:52 pm

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T12:13:59-06:00

This year's defense has been in it's base package for well over 95% of it's downs. Why we are playing such a base defense is really head scratching, when even Greg Wrubell, the everything is great and it's only getting better guy, starts openly questioning the vanilla defensive play calling you know something is wrong.

Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:13 pm

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T11:26:35-06:00

I just wish it was Lavell's Vanilla.....

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:26 am

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T11:18:09-06:00

Last season Alex Hornibrook had a comp % of 58.6% (181 Att), 9 TDs to 7 Ints for a Rating of 125.8. Against us he had a comp % of 94.7% (18/19), 4 TDs to 0 Ints and a Rating of 277.4. Sad.

Statistics: Posted by byufan4ever — Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:18 am

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T11:15:56-06:00

Last week on the radio Jason Buck was kind of salty at how he perceives Takitaki being mis-used this season instead of being turned loose as a pass-rusher.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:15 am

Re: Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T11:03:36-06:00

I agree with this completely. BYU's defense looks passive and soft. We get no pressure on the opposing QB's even the one from Portland State. Something needs to change.

Statistics: Posted by frdbtr — Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:03 am

Vanilla defense leads to a Rocky Road

2017-09-18T11:01:01-06:00

Forgive the ice cream flavor puns.

While I have no doubt that the defense is loaded with "tough guys", they aren't being given much chance to succeed. When an opponent shows you clearly that you cannot get pressure on the QB with your front 4, you must blitz, sometimes 5, sometimes even 6! Yes, this puts your corners on an island, but put them up close and have them jam the receivers, just to disrupt timing a little bit. This is football 101.

Playing straight base defense against a team who is so obviously physically superior may slow down a blowout a little bit, but it won't stop it. The LSU and Wisconsin games prove that. But taking a chance could lead to a sack or two, maybe even a turnover once in a while.

If you sit back and let them pound your base defense over and over, you have no chance at all. While BYU blitzed a little more in the 2nd half against Wisconsin, they really didn't do it enough to ever generate any significant pressure.

Probably wouldn't have changed the outcome at all, but at least you would have allowed the defense to be a little aggressive! We are way to passive on defense, and we are getting eaten alive for it.

Statistics: Posted by cougarapologist — Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:01 am