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Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-11T12:03:17-06:00

Ula looks like our best back, but was given 5 touches, including none in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters.
From what I understand, everyone on the staff knows Ula will be the guy, but he doesn't have his legs back under him yet. The hope was that Squally and Burt could shoulder the load this season and Ula could redshirt to get his stamina up, but that plan fell apart in August when it became apparent that wasn't going to work, so now they are left having to try to bring Ula along during the season, but having to limit him to 10-15 reps (reps, not even carries) a game so they don't run him into a wall. You can see he's gassed after two or three carries.

It's a statement of (1) how bad the rest of the RB field is, and (2) how much better Ula is than the rest of the herd.

Which is why I don't understand Burt's move to CB. He showed some potential last year.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:03 pm

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-11T11:57:42-06:00

No reason to think Hoge could even be this good.

We may get to find out on Saturday depending on how Mangum's ankle scans go today....

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:57 am

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-11T10:41:54-06:00

Ula looks like our best back, but was given 5 touches, including none in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters.

From what I understand, everyone on the staff knows Ula will be the guy, but he doesn't have his legs back under him yet. The hope was that Squally and Burt could shoulder the load this season and Ula could redshirt to get his stamina up, but that plan fell apart in August when it became apparent that wasn't going to work, so now they are left having to try to bring Ula along during the season, but having to limit him to 10-15 reps (reps, not even carries) a game so they don't run him into a wall. You can see he's gassed after two or three carries.

It's a statement of (1) how bad the rest of the RB field is, and (2) how much better Ula is than the rest of the herd.

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Mon Sep 11, 2017 10:41 am

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-10T19:47:36-06:00

Dean, just give up, you've been way off base all thread.

Steve Clark is our current TE coach. Bushman is a great receiver, but can he block? Who is our 2nd-string TE?

Grimes was our last great OL coach, before going on to coach at multiple SEC schools. Roger French may be our best OL coach of all time.

OL is really bad. Tejan is a decent center, now that his chop blocks are under control, but the rest can't pick up a blitz to save Tanner's life.

Tanner looks bad. Just like Tasysom did last year. They both looked great before Detmer. I think they expect the worst from their oline every play, and end up rushing every throw as a result. No reason to think Hoge could even be this good.

WRs look awful. How many chances can Hifo get? Meanwhile, Micah Simon was by far our best WR against LSU and was benched this week. Trinnaman is our fastest WR and was benched this week. Beau Tanner sat this week after giving up on an INT last week.

RBs seem to have no depth chart. Ula looks like our best back, but was given 5 touches, including none in the 1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters. Squally, Fonua, Dye, and Burt seem to play or not play at random. Dye seems to be our worst player at RB, but played the most this game. He has the makings of a good slot receiver though (as seen on his touchdown play). Burt got moved to D for unknown reasons. I did like the jet sweeps and shovel pass this week. Still far too many runs up the gut behind an atrocious run-blocking oline though. Including that run on 3rd-and-15ish. Ugh.

This week against Wisconsin will be ugly. Detmer, Cahoon, and Mahe have a lot to prove. Still, the worst case scenario for this season may be 7-6. We play some terrible teams later on.

Statistics: Posted by Mars — Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:47 pm

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-11T00:52:01-06:00

The internal divisiveness will hurt this team more if unchecked. I rarely have an insider perspective, but I did hear a receiver complaining after the game to a group of girls why Tanner wasn't throwing him the ball more often.

Waaaaaa!!! You poor thing! Probably because (a) he was running for his life too often, and (b) you really weren't open that much

Yeah, if only Tanner had thrown him the ball. He would have won the Holy War and then probably gone to the NFL.

Statistics: Posted by Gunk — Sun Sep 10, 2017 5:48 pm

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-10T12:29:53-06:00

The internal divisiveness will hurt this team more if unchecked. I rarely have an insider perspective, but I did hear a receiver complaining after the game to a group of girls why Tanner wasn't throwing him the ball more often.

Waaaaaa!!! You poor thing! Probably because (a) he was running for his life too often, and (b) you really weren't open that much

Statistics: Posted by TulaneVandyRiceCoug — Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:29 pm

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-10T11:02:30-06:00

Just got home from the game. Here's the ugly truth my friends.

The offense is a total shambles. There's only one guy on offense who is any good, Matt Bushman. Tanner Mangum is a mess. He's making wrong reads, he's underthrowing 95% of his passes. He's locked on to receivers making for easy picks. He's completely unaware of his blindside. He had one good drive where he looked like the Mangum of old. It's probably enough to give him the start again next week, but only barely.

The offensive line is a mess. They aren't recognizing when potential pass rushers will have a free lane to the QB. They are barely getting any surge or holes open on run blocks. Their bright side is that they didn't have any personal fouls called against them that I recall.

The running backs are terrible. They aren't picking up pass protections, they aren't making a guy miss, they aren't falling forward when hit.

The receivers are awful. They aren't making the easy catches, let alone the tough catches. They struggle to get open, they are making mental mistakes like getting offensive PI when it was completely unnecessary.

The defense isn't as good as we're giving them credit for. Yes, they stiffen up inside the 20, but they are giving up far too many long drives and huge chunk yardage plays.

Special teams is also poor. Missed field goals, onsides kicks that go out of bounds, just a disaster.

Coaches are clueless. They don't have any idea at all how to fix the issues. The schemes are just bad. The play calling is bad. Players are starting to grumble and divisions are forming in the locker room from some of the whispers I'm hearing from people in the know.
Other than that, things are looking up, yes? TIC
Silver lining. Last 2 weeks were against stout teams. Generally BYU doesn't look great against those types. Heck, BYU had a shot at a game winning drive last night despite all of the negatives that hawk points out.

The not silver lining - BYU plays several more of these types of teams.

The dark side of that silver lining is that this is the least stout Utah's defense has been in probably 10 years, and LSU gave up 10 points to an FCS team.

Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:02 am

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-10T11:00:06-06:00

Just got home from the game. Here's the ugly truth my friends.

The offense is a total shambles. There's only one guy on offense who is any good, Matt Bushman. Tanner Mangum is a mess. He's making wrong reads, he's underthrowing 95% of his passes. He's locked on to receivers making for easy picks. He's completely unaware of his blindside. He had one good drive where he looked like the Mangum of old. It's probably enough to give him the start again next week, but only barely.

The offensive line is a mess. They aren't recognizing when potential pass rushers will have a free lane to the QB. They are barely getting any surge or holes open on run blocks. Their bright side is that they didn't have any personal fouls called against them that I recall.

The running backs are terrible. They aren't picking up pass protections, they aren't making a guy miss, they aren't falling forward when hit.

The receivers are awful. They aren't making the easy catches, let alone the tough catches. They struggle to get open, they are making mental mistakes like getting offensive PI when it was completely unnecessary.

The defense isn't as good as we're giving them credit for. Yes, they stiffen up inside the 20, but they are giving up far too many long drives and huge chunk yardage plays.

Special teams is also poor. Missed field goals, onsides kicks that go out of bounds, just a disaster.

Coaches are clueless. They don't have any idea at all how to fix the issues. The schemes are just bad. The play calling is bad. Players are starting to grumble and divisions are forming in the locker room from some of the whispers I'm hearing from people in the know.
Other than that, things are looking up, yes? TIC

Silver lining. Last 2 weeks were against stout teams. Generally BYU doesn't look great against those types. Heck, BYU had a shot at a game winning drive last night despite all of the negatives that hawk points out.

The not silver lining - BYU plays several more of these types of teams.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:00 am

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-10T10:04:19-06:00

OK ... this is a very pessimistic thread. I can't blame anybody for that, I"m pessimistic today too. I've had high hopes for Sitake/Detmer/et al, I've had high hopes for this team. It will be a LONG season, BYU may not qualify for a bowl this year, the team is going to fracture (and the real test of Sitake will be whether he can pull them together again) and the extra bad news is that it is going to get worse next week. Utah doesn't compare to Wiscy .... it will be ugly next week.

Bright spots from last night:
1) Time of possession was closer (32:27 - 27:33)
2) More than 200 yds of offense ... more than doubled the output from LSU
3) twice as effective on 3rd downs as Utah (6/15 - 3/14)
(stat source: http://www.espn.com/college-football/ma ... =400935263)
4) Penalties ... few
5) Red zone defense was still pretty good
6) Fonua and Tolutau

Statistics: Posted by mtnradio — Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:04 am

Re: BYU - Utah Game Thread

2017-09-10T09:01:06-06:00

Just got home from the game. Here's the ugly truth my friends.

The offense is a total shambles. There's only one guy on offense who is any good, Matt Bushman. Tanner Mangum is a mess. He's making wrong reads, he's underthrowing 95% of his passes. He's locked on to receivers making for easy picks. He's completely unaware of his blindside. He had one good drive where he looked like the Mangum of old. It's probably enough to give him the start again next week, but only barely.

The offensive line is a mess. They aren't recognizing when potential pass rushers will have a free lane to the QB. They are barely getting any surge or holes open on run blocks. Their bright side is that they didn't have any personal fouls called against them that I recall.

The running backs are terrible. They aren't picking up pass protections, they aren't making a guy miss, they aren't falling forward when hit.

The receivers are awful. They aren't making the easy catches, let alone the tough catches. They struggle to get open, they are making mental mistakes like getting offensive PI when it was completely unnecessary.

The defense isn't as good as we're giving them credit for. Yes, they stiffen up inside the 20, but they are giving up far too many long drives and huge chunk yardage plays.

Special teams is also poor. Missed field goals, onsides kicks that go out of bounds, just a disaster.

Coaches are clueless. They don't have any idea at all how to fix the issues. The schemes are just bad. The play calling is bad. Players are starting to grumble and divisions are forming in the locker room from some of the whispers I'm hearing from people in the know.

Other than that, things are looking up, yes? TIC

Statistics: Posted by BoiseBYU — Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:01 am