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Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-28T21:45:11-06:00

...because we want to become an NBA factory).
I think you'd better realign that expectation son.

I didn't say that I expect us to become an NBA factory. I said that Mika staying or going does something good for us. It's win win. He stays, we get our best player back. He goes pro to the NBA (I personally don't see him in the first round, I think he comes back to school) then that is great too. I think it is more likely he comes back, but he has earned the right to try the market and earn some free evals with pro teams.

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:45 pm

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-27T23:02:37-06:00

...because we want to become an NBA factory).

I think you'd better realign that expectation son.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:02 pm

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-27T13:49:52-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.

I don't like to paint things with a broad brush, most things exist in shades of grey, but I do think that people spending 2-3 years away from basketball and conditioning is a problem for continuity. Guys come back and are expected to contribute and just aren't ready physically, and some guys that contribute amazingly like Seljaas (and Andrus to a lesser extent) leave for a few years. It's hard to get things gelling, and then we had an amazing class the last few years that I think complicated things (for the better). Now, if Mika actually does go then that complicates things again. (I think that the pros outweigh the cons if he does go, because we want to become an NBA factory).

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Mon Mar 27, 2017 1:49 pm

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-27T10:22:23-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.
both Utah and USU have had a lot of transfers.

It's a relief that schools who are going through coaching changes and rebuilding have similar transfer rates............right?

Statistics: Posted by snoscythe — Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:22 am

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-27T08:22:29-06:00

Utah would have been good enough to go a few rounds in the NCAAs this year had they not lost so many players, IMO.

Statistics: Posted by BlueK — Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:22 am

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-24T16:33:28-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.
both Utah and USU have had a lot of transfers.

possibly more than BYU over the last 4-5 years. Agreed. Especially Utah who has had a ton of transfers in the last few years.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Fri Mar 24, 2017 4:33 pm

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-24T09:49:56-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.

both Utah and USU have had a lot of transfers.

Statistics: Posted by BlueK — Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:49 am

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-23T20:25:49-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.

I'm fine with guys leaving, Why can't BYU fill those voids with more Chase Fishers? That's what concerns me. I'm sure part of it is that high profile recruits aren't jumping at the chance to live in Provo, UT.

It's a small recruiting pool that BYU has to work with already. BYU guys can certainly go elsewhere, play and excel. Not many guys want head to BYU though.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:25 pm

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-23T11:30:39-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.

Agreed. Sure, every bench player wants starter minutes, who wouldn't? So how does Kentucky, Duke, UCLA, Utah, etc. keep their bench players? Taking this to an extreme, teams wouldn't have any bench at all, right?

Well, I was wanting some hard numbers for BYU's transfers compared to other schools and I found this site:

http://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2016

I really wish I could get that data into Excel and create a pivot table (I'm a pivot master lol) however the data gets all pasted into one cell so it just doesn't work. But, you can sort it by Previous School to see how many transfers each school had in 2016. BYU had 3 and browsing through the data sorted by team this is not all that un-common. Utah actually had 7!! Utah St. had 5! So maybe now the transfer thing isn't that bad...?

The other data I'd like to incorporate into the above transfer list is the previous team's record. Part of me thinks that a team like Kentucky and Duke that are loaded with high star bench players would be the most likely to have lots of transfers. Although the other part of me says that players love to be on winning teams so maybe teams with worse records tend to have more transfers. Villanova, who won it all last year, had zero transfers. North Carolina had zero. Kentucky - 2. Duke - 1. UCLA - 1. Interesting...

Finally, I looked at BYU's transfer trend:
2016 - 3 (Corey Calvert; Jordan Chatman; Jake Toolson)
2015 - 2 (Frank Bartley IV; Isaac Nielson)
2014 - 2 (Matt Carlino; Ian Harward)
2013 - 1 (Raul Delgado)
2012 - 2 ( Demarcus Harrison; Nick Martineau)

So, yes, we had more last year than we used to, but it wasn't a huge spike that I had thought. But maybe it's the quality of the players that left were higher than in previous years?

Statistics: Posted by byufan4ever — Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:30 am

Re: Rose: realigning expectations

2017-03-23T09:32:23-06:00

It's amazing that other teams like Saint Mary's are able to maintain their benches for the most part year-to-year but BYU can't. Even teams I'm more familiar with like Utah or Utah State will lose a guy here or there, but nothing like the turnover BYU seems to experience every single year.

There has to be a reason for it.

Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:32 am