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Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T17:59:49-06:00

Blue, you very well may be right. I at least took Spiff's Q:

"Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year"

to ask whether you are properly comparing this year's time w/o Taysom to a Max Hall team without Max. It makes no sense to compare this year's team Anno Hillini (Latin time out) to a Max Hall led team. That at least is the Q I was hoping you would answer. But then again it could be me AND it is after all Spiff's Q. So with that I'll bow out and let things lay as they will lay. Peace out fellow friend
I can concede my question was poorly worded. I was trying to determine if we were examining a Max Hall-era team withouth Max Hall and how that kind of team would do sans Max Hall in a post-Taysom 2014.

For instance, I don't think a 2007-2009 BYU team without Max Hall beats 2014 Utah St or 2014 Boise St team. But I think a similar 2007-2009 team beats UCF and Nevada - in large part because those are two teams, frankly, the 2014 BYU team should have beaten as well.

Obviously there is no way of knowing, but with Unga, Fui, Pitta, George, Collie, Reed and a half dozen NFL lineman I would take my chances, even with Gaskins under center.

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:59 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T13:33:34-06:00

Blue, you very well may be right. I at least took Spiff's Q:

"Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year"

to ask whether you are properly comparing this year's time w/o Taysom to a Max Hall team without Max. It makes no sense to compare this year's team Anno Hillini (Latin time out) to a Max Hall led team. That at least is the Q I was hoping you would answer. But then again it could be me AND it is after all Spiff's Q. So with that I'll bow out and let things lay as they will lay. Peace out fellow friend

I can concede my question was poorly worded. I was trying to determine if we were examining a Max Hall-era team withouth Max Hall and how that kind of team would do sans Max Hall in a post-Taysom 2014.

For instance, I don't think a 2007-2009 BYU team without Max Hall beats 2014 Utah St or 2014 Boise St team. But I think a similar 2007-2009 team beats UCF and Nevada - in large part because those are two teams, frankly, the 2014 BYU team should have beaten as well.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Mon Nov 03, 2014 1:33 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T12:54:11-06:00

Blue, you very well may be right. I at least took Spiff's Q:

"Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year"

to ask whether you are properly comparing this year's time w/o Taysom to a Max Hall team without Max. It makes no sense to compare this year's team Anno Hillini (Latin time out) to a Max Hall led team. That at least is the Q I was hoping you would answer. But then again it could be me AND it is after all Spiff's Q. So with that I'll bow out and let things lay as they will lay. Peace out fellow friend

No hard feelings.

Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:54 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T12:47:28-06:00

Blue, you very well may be right. I at least took Spiff's Q:

"Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year"

to ask whether you are properly comparing this year's time w/o Taysom to a Max Hall team without Max. It makes no sense to compare this year's team Anno Hillini (Latin time out) to a Max Hall led team. That at least is the Q I was hoping you would answer. But then again it could be me AND it is after all Spiff's Q. So with that I'll bow out and let things lay as they will lay. Peace out fellow friend

Statistics: Posted by BoiseBYU — Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:47 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T12:28:40-06:00

When the Utes got beat, they got beat by better teams. Who in the Max Hall era would BYU have lost to in this year's schedule?
Hmm... Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year.
Well, Max Hall is/was a lot less likely to get hurt, because he had an Oline that would block for him, and they ran quick outs and dump offs to the half back. Even though he played much better competition than anything we have seen the last 5 years. And Gaskins was decent. I personally knew him, he had offers from ASU and other schools.

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Nice sidestep
Not a sidestep, an answer to a question. As an answer, with Gaskins in I don't think we lose to Utah St, I don't think that we lose to UCF (currently losing to Uconn - who is winless against Div 1a teams - as I type), and I don't think we lose to Nevada.

I don't think that we lose to any of those teams with Heaps, either.
Total sidestep. You did not answer Spiff's question but one more to your convenient liking. It is election season, though, and we did win Saturday, so we'll wave off the flag.

You might want to reevaluate your position, friend. His QUESTION was "Does Max Hall get injured and ....?"

My answer, TO HIS QUESTION, was "Max was a lot less likely to get injured because of x and y reasons."

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Statistics: Posted by Brayden Green — Mon Nov 03, 2014 12:28 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T09:16:37-06:00

When the Utes got beat, they got beat by better teams. Who in the Max Hall era would BYU have lost to in this year's schedule?
Hmm... Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year.
Well, Max Hall is/was a lot less likely to get hurt, because he had an Oline that would block for him, and they ran quick outs and dump offs to the half back. Even though he played much better competition than anything we have seen the last 5 years. And Gaskins was decent. I personally knew him, he had offers from ASU and other schools.

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Nice sidestep
Not a sidestep, an answer to a question. As an answer, with Gaskins in I don't think we lose to Utah St, I don't think that we lose to UCF (currently losing to Uconn - who is winless against Div 1a teams - as I type), and I don't think we lose to Nevada.

I don't think that we lose to any of those teams with Heaps, either.

Total sidestep. You did not answer Spiff's question but one more to your convenient liking. It is election season, though, and we did win Saturday, so we'll wave off the flag.

Statistics: Posted by BoiseBYU — Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:16 am

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-03T08:04:03-06:00

It's a low blow to say a player who didn't want to play is someone I have no faith in?

I want guys who want to play. Riley's problem was he didn't have the body and size to play the way he wanted to play. When he was healthy he was fairly to pretty effective.

He just wasn't healthy enough often enough. And when he was hurt, he was simply abysmal.

I don't know if Gaskins' move was "team first" or not. All I know is that no BYU knows how he would have performed under any circumstances, because he never played any meaningful snaps while at BYU. Not one.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Mon Nov 03, 2014 8:04 am

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-02T23:54:56-06:00

When the Utes got beat, they got beat by better teams. Who in the Max Hall era would BYU have lost to in this year's schedule?
Hmm... Does Max Hall get injured and we're now playing with Brendan Gaskins or Riley Nelson?

Because if we're playing with one of them, I can think of a few teams a Max Hall-era BYU team would lose to this year.
Well, Max Hall is/was a lot less likely to get hurt, because he had an Oline that would block for him, and they ran quick outs and dump offs to the half back. Even though he played much better competition than anything we have seen the last 5 years. And Gaskins was decent. I personally knew him, he had offers from ASU and other schools.

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Gaskins is a COMPLETE unknown. Did he even throw a pass at BYU. He didn't even want to play. He stepped completely to the side to allow someone else - who hadn't beaten him out - to take his place.

He didn't want to be the backup. He went to the coaches and said Riley Nelson should be the backup. I have no faith in a player who didn't even want to play.

Hey Spiff? Unbecoming of you. I suppose you prefer Riley's version of team. Low blow, dude.

Statistics: Posted by Cougs_Rule — Sun Nov 02, 2014 11:54 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-02T19:27:19-06:00

To wouldn't take Munns. At least Heaps was willing to play

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:27 pm

Re: It appears we have locker room issues

2014-11-02T19:16:22-06:00

Oh man, can't believe we'd see Heaps name mentioned here again. Heaps couldn't beat a red headed step child. Let's face it, he just isn't a legit D1 player. That's been proven at 3 different schools.

Remember, Heaps lost to USU at home aND we barely had enough time to put in Nelson to save the game.

I would take Taysom, Stewart, Riley, Travis Wilson, and even Munn over Heaps.

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Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Sun Nov 02, 2014 7:16 pm