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Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-28T13:09:11-06:00

Yeah, Iceman, these officials were lousy, plain and simple (even a half-blind cripple watching it on the lousy MTN channels could see that...oh wait... ).

I think they did a pretty good job, actually.

Of course, that's judging them by the standard of what they were aiming to achieve, which I believe was to come in and make the score as close as possible so that Air Force could find a way to have a chance at the end. So, they swung the score 21 points in Air Force's favor. That's about all you can ask for, I think.

Statistics: Posted by hawkwing — Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:09 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-28T11:09:29-06:00

I think a great trick play would be to break the huddle quickly and run up to the line in a double tight end formation (with both tight ends on the right side). You have Max line up under the right guard instead of the center and then call for the snap real loud, direct snap goes to Harvey who's lined up to the left in a pro set and Max rolls out right like he's got the ball. You're sure to confuse the defense on that one as long as you line up quick.

Brilliant!

Statistics: Posted by tripwire — Sat Nov 28, 2009 11:09 am

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-27T21:35:46-06:00

Yeah, Iceman, these officials were lousy, plain and simple (even a half-blind cripple watching it on the lousy MTN channels could see that...oh wait... ).

Statistics: Posted by Schmoe — Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:35 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-27T21:29:15-06:00

I haven't read the entire thread, so excuse me if this was already mentioned. I had the misfortune of a torn back muscle and was not able to attend the game at the stadium. But! From my prone position in front of the tv, I could not believe what I saw, that literally GAVE Air Force their last touchdown. I believe it was 4th down, because IIRC the announcers said something to the effect of turning the ball over on downs. Anyway, the ball carrier was turned backwards, leaning into the defenders, the ball clearly, at least, half a yard from the first down marker. When the zebra game in to place the ball, he placed his foot just about exactly where the first down marker was. When he received the ball, he placed it on the forward side of his foot. When they brought out the chains to measure, sure enough, they got the first by the width of his shoe. There was no way in my mind that this was accidental.

Statistics: Posted by Iceman — Fri Nov 27, 2009 9:29 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-27T17:11:36-06:00

I think a great trick play would be to break the huddle quickly and run up to the line in a double tight end formation (with both tight ends on the right side). You have Max line up under the right guard instead of the center and then call for the snap real loud, direct snap goes to Harvey who's lined up to the left in a pro set and Max rolls out right like he's got the ball. You're sure to confuse the defense on that one as long as you line up quick.

Statistics: Posted by Schmoe — Fri Nov 27, 2009 5:11 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-26T12:20:21-06:00

Good points all I am still getting over the fact made clear from my good friend Kitic that the fumbleruski has been banned! I think that is a vestige of McCarthyism. What is so nefarious to justify its outright ban?

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Statistics: Posted by BoiseBYU — Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:20 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-25T19:03:10-06:00

Yes, BYU did do this a few years ago under Crowton, but it was different. It was not a whole personnel group coming on/off the field. One player ran to the sideine but never off. He simply went unaccounted for. That was a defensive lapse for the defense not covering a player. GT was clearly trying to make sure their opponent would not know who was involved in the play and who wasn't. BYU in both instances was not doing this. AF had every opportunity to know who was involved in the play and they simply weren't ready for the play. Actually the referee wasn't ready for the play.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:03 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-25T19:00:36-06:00

I would argue that the GT play was unsportsmanlike and clearly should not be allowed. Air Force was simply not anticipating the time of the snap. All 11 players were accounted for and there was no attempt to hide a player from the defense. But the GT play clearly relied on a player getting "lost in the shuffle" of a substitution. GT was hoping one of their 11 players would not be accounted for. This was not a case of a defense being confused in their own personnel group and leaving a WR uncovered. This was GT hiding a player. The camera never shows it, but what if the player actually left the field, only to return right before the snap. I'm completely against the GT play. The BYU play should be allowed. It was 11 v 11.

Statistics: Posted by SpiffCoug — Wed Nov 25, 2009 7:00 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-25T18:55:18-06:00

Didn't BYU do the same thing under Crowton years ago (same as GT that is)??? I don't know if it happened during a substitution though.

I agree. It's your job to defend the field. If you can't do it, you are 6 points in the hole.

Statistics: Posted by BroncoBot — Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:55 pm

Re: Decieving the D

2009-11-25T18:51:32-06:00

You know, at first I sort of agreed that you shouldn't be able to use the substitution process to hide a trick play. But after looking at that Georgia Tech clip I have changed my mind. It is the J-O-B of the defense to defend all 11 players on the field for the offense. If the player was in the field of play and is a legal player then the defense should be expected to defend him. If they don't it's not the fault of the offense and the offense shouldn't be penalized.

Memos from the NCAA is like leadership via email. It doesn't work. If they want to make a certain type of play (sub deception, etc) then they need to put that in the rule book (just like they have with changing jerseys to deceive the opponent). Nothing about Georgia Tech's play or BYU's play was unsportsmanlike. It was the epitome of offensive creativity. Whoever is writing these memos must have been a defensive player.

Statistics: Posted by CAFB_04-12 — Wed Nov 25, 2009 6:51 pm